I draw the line at needless deviations from meme formats.
About the same percentage of Americans protested against Trump in March as French protested over the weekend.
But with 1/10 the population density, the US protests appeared smaller.
edit: numbers were wrong - about 1/4 the population density. And the US had about 0.9% of its population participate in the March No Kings protest as opposed to France’s 0.7%. So the US appears to be more active than France in protests, but they can’t concentrate the majority of their protests in a single city like France can.
The US protests are not nearly as sustained or as regulaly occurring as the French protests.
I also take umbrage with the notion that 0.9% of the population standing in a field or walking down a street would be as “active” as 0.7% of the population getting in street fights with cops and burning buildings down, even if both happened for the same amount of time.
so they protested at a shocking 1/10 per capita. significantly loweredit: I can’t read?
No, they protested at the similar rate per capita. Just fewer people per square kilometer.
France is nearly 550,000 square kilometers in size. The US is nearly 10 million square kilometers in size.
France has about 125 people per square kilometer. The US has 34.
idk how I read that completely wrong. my mind entirely swapped “percentage” for “number”
Not how density works.
A coworker says that all the problems in Paris is because Hillary has sent Antifa to cause chaos…
But the chaos is not the bad part… the bad part is, as the meme says, normalising ever-diminishing standards of living (frogboiling)…
Yeah no wonder oligarchs can get away with anything when the populace is that gullible
Side note: the person that said this just got divorced for beating his wife. And he has been looking for a girlfriend and he has a list of demands he’s wants for a future relationship.
- She can’t be Mexican, even though he is Mexican.
- she can’t be an immigrant.
- she can’t be a liberal.
- she can’t have dyed hair
- no tattoos.
- She can’t be a fan of Taylor Swift.
- she has to be religious, preferably Mormon.
- no job or any aspirations other than having kids.
- has to be a trump supporter.
Hey, at least he’s clear about it. Much better than someone who pretends to be left-wing to get in someone’s pants.
the oligarchs have it made in america
media is only showing looting to gain sympathey for the right.
Yup
In case anyone would be down to come to the comments of a meme and leave with further reading: In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action by Vicky Osterweil
Because Americans literally do nothing as their form of protest. They allow the steamrolling to happen to protect their own vapid moral integrity.
I wish they did nothing. But no, they go to work and pay taxes and take a vacation day to go to a protest. Doing nothing, i.e. a general strike, might actually accomplish something.
Canadians might be worse in terms of doing nothing. The average Canadian in my experience can’t even imagine politics left of the NDP (our social democrats).
The slow slide to the right that’s just beginning here feels like it’s just a boring fact and not a struggle.
Yah but at least we don’t vote in obvious fascists or separate under obvious foreign lobbying, your just fingerprinting to avoid facing the reality the left in America is getting walked all over.
vote in obvious fascists
We will eventually.
When? stop saying ‘it’ll happen’ just because Americans are Fuck ups and projecting their failure when it’s clear it’s not taking hold in Canada. If anything it’s getting weaker as we watch America further fall because of this mindset. Many in my life that first though maga and Donald were great and done a 180 having seen what a monumental failure of governance he’s perpetrated, stop getting sucked into those failed liberals doomerism.
It definitely is beginning to happen with immigrants, indigenous people, and trans people. We’re like 20 years off from it.
Wtf are you talking about, there has been no backsliding here in Canada, you sound like a maga nutcase when Joe was in office going on about lonni shit with no base in reality. The only thing we reduced was immigration and it improved youth job numbers. That’s the only thing that’s changed. You can blame Justin for that, mass importing laborer by over half a mill a year. It’s not like we’re dragging people off to concentration camps like ice are.
You sound exactly like some conservative who’d complain about “immigrants shitting on beaches” or something like that, so why should I trust you on this?
The treats will run out eventually
More like people acting like idiots confusing protesting for looting.
There are pros and cons, the violence and damage done in the French protests also make it easy for the rightwing to shatter solidarity among left and center voices. These protestors take the narrative the rightwing wants to push about the left and immigrants hook line and sinker without reflecting on the consequences of that, which is very very very very dangerous.
Rightwing fascists want nothing more than this to become a fist fight, it is the only environment their shitty politics can survive in because everyone is too distracted by the violence to actually interrogate what each side is saying and determine fascists are violent and full of shit.
You can criticize a protest like No Kings in the US for being wayyyy too deferential to the status quo, but you can also on the flipside point out that everyone who goes to a peaceful mass protest leaves knowing they are in the majority, and that a vast diversity of people have arrived at the same conclusion and desire to exert their will in a collective fashion that no significant percentage of the society resists in a rational way even if the power structures do.
Once you start throwing bricks at the cops and burning everything down you cut the potential for solidarity into two opposing sides which isn’t so say that ACAB isn’t true or that the pearl clutching around property damage isn’t insulting given the human suffering the protests are meant to illuminate but the vision of the social project becomes diminished once things enter that realm, you have a war at that point not a social movement.
All that being said, I don’t think the protestors are the problem, not even remotely, the inhuman conditions for the average person are the problem. I am also not trying to say a certain way of protesting is necessarily wrong, but this idea that we aren’t in a struggle of primarily narrative is a sure fire way to lose catastrophically as the left which to be honest France should be alot more cognizant about given their history than they seem to be…
We all know rightwing fascists need and deserve to be punched in the face, but if you lean into that unreflectively you make it easy for them to portray the situation as a tit for tat fight rather than an existential struggle against dehumanization.
You can criticize a protest like No Kings in the US for being wayyyy too deferential to the status quo
I criticize them for being too small, too infrequent and too short a duration.
…and I criticize the France protests for feeding directly into fascist narratives that appeal to centrists in such a blatantingly stupid way.
Both are valid lines of criticism shrugs
That’s a fascist’s secret : everything feeds into their narratives. If leftists aren’t a threat to fight with heavily armed cops, they are weaklings to ignore and trample over with heavily armed cops.
Radical politics will never please centrists. The trick is to ignore centrists and engage directly with people upset at the status quo. Give them something to believe in. Centrists will follow, as they always do, by definition. For radicals there is no such thing as bad publicity - every news story only serves to prove that they have impact.
If leftists aren’t a threat to fight with heavily armed cops, they are weaklings to ignore and trample over with heavily armed cops.
Why do you think that the heavily armed cops lose when they have actual enemies to focus their violence that require their skills?
Yep France will have a Nazi for president next year. These riots swayed many centrist voters. Like during the riots someone burned down historic buildings. One thing the French have in common is that they love their historic architecture. Though good chance some agent provacteur from Israel, US or Russia instigated it all.
You just so badly want places to end up like america so you can feel better about your own inaction, pathetic.
Who says I’m American? Dumbass canuck, I’m Dutch and live in the Netherlands and we’ve seen France shift harder to the right every time these type of riots take place. France will be more like America after the presidential election next year when a Trump and Netanyahu loving Nazi takes the highest seat in office.
Retailleau the isreal is what France will have to look forward to if the left their can’t pull their heads out of their asses and offer solutions to Frances mounting debts without further dismantling their social security.
Also I assumed you were American because you sound like the cry baby lib failures that are all over the US there that just love pointing fingers when they repeatedly Fuck up and fail to do anything about their deteriorating nation, I have 0 simpathy for people who will not escalate when they are having their livelyhoods taken from them then have the gall to complain about it when nothing goes their way.
The no kings protests in my area were like six people. And everyone driving by let them know how stupid they looked. Definitely not a majority.
Americans aren’t even doing anything!
People demonstrate.
lOl, you look StUpId!
Chill man, it’s Missouri—anyone showing out is impressive.
Ok well that is your anecdote, the No Kings rallies have been some of the largest protests in US history and have approached the often quoted percentage of people necessary to ensure a successful social movement/revolution.
And nothing changed? The pedo is still ordering his goons to kill citizens, they’re trying to deport a member of Congress, and they’re perpetuating the war in the middle east (and a myriad of other stuff).
Where’s the line? When will the Americans do anything about it?
If the US protested right now the way France is, it would result in law enforcement being given complete permission to be as violent as they want because the “violent” left has finally come that they have spent decades hammering over the US people’s heads about.
Doing something about it first and foremost means not handing power to the narratives your enemy existentially needs you to feed into to retain legitimacy amd justify lethal violence against you.
No Kings is run by the same Liberal organizations that support the Democratic party. They might as well be party sponsored events. Nothing will change when the Market liberal donkeys are in charge, besides the visibility of ICE.
And nothing of consequence happened, lol.
What makes anybody think an American who condemns the looting in France approves of everything that’s wrong in America?
Boot lickers tend to lick boots.
Reminds me of people that can look past concentration camps, murders carried out by ice, blatant corruption, bombing schools, and genocide but they draw the line at having to pay 2$ more for gas
They only care when it affects their daily lives. Fuck black, brown, trans, gay, and women for they are something entirely different than a white american man.
What murders has ice done? Maybe I’m just out of my the loop
Wooooow
This is a fucking joke, right?
There’s death and there’s murder. I’ve heard about deaths, I’m not aware of any murders but I have limited media access.
Oh your one of those padantic losers…
The losers who understand the difference between killing and murder? Yeah I’m one of those losers lol
Yes I’m glad you both understand and are ok with state sanctioned killing and regular murder, vary good.
Evil people should fear a good government and also good people. Yes that is a foundational belief. Governments have always used violence and for good reasons. People have also used violence against governments for good reasons. Yes sometimes violence is the appropriate response and I am prepared as necessary.
Apparently you aren’t, actually
What nationality are you, out of curiosity?
You mean which data center hosts them?
Since you won’t answer my question about nationality, im going to assume you’re from a “western” country, so your excuse of having limited media access is bullshit. You’re a fucking piece of trash if you think ICE hasn’t murdered people and are going to get into a hissy fit about the definitions. You’re fucking scum and deserve to be treated as such.
Mods, before you come deleting this comment for AbUsE, look at what this motherfucker is here commenting. Would you rather censor someone for calling someone a bad name, or for blatantly denying state sanctioned murders? Pick your hill to die on.
You could actually give some evidence of said murders. That’s all I asked for. Some people need real consequences for their bullshit. I wish we could do this face to face.
You are batshit fucking insane. The videos are out there for the world to see. Good shot in her car while driving away from the scene, not trying to hurt any of the officers, and Pretti literally knelt down in the street and executed in the back of the head. All filmed, all major major news that every “western” country saw.
I hope you get exactly what you deserve for being such a piece of shit human, and you deserve that absolute worst.
And those are just the white people lol. A ton of others have been executed but they were too brown for mass media coverage
Fuck you, Nazi scum.
You my friend are out of your mind
He’s not a friend, he’s fucking scum and deserving of being treated like it.
I find the looting and property damage stupid because there are plenty of Billionaires and Politicians to loot and property damage yet they primarily targeting cafes and shops.
It’s because it (typically) isn’t the political activists who are the ones looting. It is groups of criminals who just take advantage of the situation and the protestors are blamed.
You mean usually undercover police officers trying to give themselves an excuse to arrest protesters?
And LePen’s campaign manager rubs his hands in satisfaction…
And agent provocateurs sent to stir shit to discredit the movement and give the police an excuse to crack skulls.
Yeah…that’s not really possible?
Oligarchs are very well insulated, both physically and financially. The nice part of town isn’t full of billionaires. It’s full of doctors and lawyers and other professionals.
Even if you do manage to burn down a Walmart or something, chances are the financials are insulated enough that the Waltons won’t even see a drop in net worth.
One guy working alone found the United healthcare CEO. Imagine if 1000 worked together like they did to loot a small shop.
One guy with connections and the cash on hand to put together a plan and carry it out.
It’s not impossible. But even then, most CEOs aren’t billionaires. That one wasn’t. The people sitting on the board of directors and majority shareholders are the billionaires.
I’m sure theyed getting their buisnesses robbed as well.
False dichotomy if there ever was one. The small businesses that are burned down or destroyed or emptied don’t have anything to do with the oligarchs or pedophiles, they are often neighbours of the looters. What have they done to deserve that? Sorry, looting them doesn’t further any good cause, indeed, it is just serving the narrative of the opposing side.
Some things to remember:
- Protests, riots are almost never monolithic and desperate people and local organized crime almost always takes advantage of the commotion.
- There are already reports of Police antagonists stirring up commotion in these.
- There is a very long history of far-right agitators trying to hijack and smear justifiable legitimate protests. Many examples from the 2020 BLM protests.
- Foreign adversaries – notably Russia – almost always seizes on these and has a hand in stirring up division.
So the fallacy is the assumption that the people committing the looting are the same people who originally set out to protest the following grievances:
- Severe under-funding of schools.
- Overcrowded classrooms and lack of air conditioning in excessively-hot climate.
- Teacher shortages and schedules.
To again reiterate, much of the time legitimate protests are hijacked by outside groups for their own ulterior motives (political optics, theft, etc.)
The fact that we’re even having these discussions shows how susceptible people are to this brand of propaganda. There people have the vote, the media and protests, remember that they will try to erode your faith in those institutions at every turn.
You think Russia agitates more than Israel or America, LOL?
- Whataboutism
- False equivalence
Ah… I see Yandex must be coming back online.
That, or this is China’s 50 Cent Party coming to support its genocidal ally lol.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9y7l0pm8jkko
Holy shit you guys are still running with that propaganda, lmao?
Yes lol (more recent source, btw)
Even that bbc article isn’t conclusive. They are (a) mostly isolating the cloudflare citations, which even that company in your own very article freely admits they cannot fully isolate but also not particularly rule-out precisely the bot activity taking place; (b) only isolate “known russian propaganda networks” and © take the word of Yandex itself (silly lol).
I say, Ukraine should very well strike them all, and let’s confirm it! :)
Slava Ukraini!
I’m gonna go ahead and not believe war propaganda from a country currently at war, lol.
Meh. Propaganda doesn’t necessarily have to be false; especially when it’s the righteous side that doesn’t have a war criminal at the helm charged by the ICC (much like Bibi).
But anyway this is all tangential to the original out-of-the-blue weirdness of your knee-jerk response to my original comment full of whataboutism and false equivalence, “You think Russia agitates more than Israel or America, LOL?” Indeed, very weird. Audience take note!
It doesn’t matter who, the fact is the division and chaos is being amplified from outside.
That is objectively a good thing when we’re talking about the country that can’t stop itself from starting illegal wars of aggression and doing genocides across the world.
You moralizing about what is essentially an uncontrollable phenomenon, is serving the narrative of the opposing side. Nobody is in control of a riot by definition. All kinds of shit is gonna get fucked up. Focusing on individual incidents is falling into a trap that the ruling class lays for a credulous audience.
I didn’t say they weren’t. I’m just saying that your observation is, at best, pointless, and at worst, serves the state’s narrative.
People plundering stores are very much in control of themselves, give me a break. I don’t blame anyone else for those actions than those who commit them.
I hate when people pull out this stupid straw man argument, “Think of the poor small businesses”. Small businesses in this country are all but non existent at this point, most of them have been forced to close their doors thanks to big chains like Walmart and Target. The closest we have to small businesses in most areas are franchisees from the big chain fast food restaurants.
Sorry, I thought this was relating to the French unrests. There is no Walmart in France. Have a look at the shops that were destroyed and then count how many of them are large chains and how many were local businesses.
“all but non existent”
Where in the US is that true?! The worst city in America for chain stores can’t quite hit 3 of 4. Almost every state has better than half of stores in the hands of small business.
“all but non existent”
Where in the US is that true?!
Eh, small businesses come in all sizes. There’s a dude in town that owns ~100 houses and rents them out. He’s a small business owner.
So is the Uber driver that delivers food to those houses.
If you own 100 pieces of residential real estate, you’re aren’t a small business, lmao.
Edit: also, uber drivers aren’t small businesses
That man is enough of a landlord that a molotov cocktail is probably justified in some way shape or form. That dude is part of the petit borgeousie for sure.
The guy driving for Uber and getting paid by them as his employer is not a small business owner. He’s a poor proletariat schmuck just like most of us.
On paper both are small business owners.
Most truckers are, too.One sixth of truckers are, too.They’re not. They’re not at all. What do you think a small business owner even is?
Someone that owns their own income generating property. I.e., a business. Which is small. Local definitions put that at either <500 employees or <7.5m operating revenue.
I was wrong though, only ~16% of truckers are small business owners. They’re the ones called “owner operators”. Because they own their own truck.
Technically, anyone filling out form 1099 come tax time is a small business owner.
Well at least you know now why a Doordash or Uber driver is decidedly not a small business owner.
I’m sure that guy that got kicked in the back of the head and has his video game store robbed gives a shit anymore and probably never will.
The business have insurances, and actually don’t loose at being attacked. Many even benefit of the insurance to renew their shop in a more modern way ; it is at the point police sometimes even doubt the shop owner may have asked to be a target. It can also be a good time to burn accountancy documents when some were a problem, and destroy those stock of merchandises they knew they could not sell (so insurance pay for them).
Yet for some it is a real moral pain to see their shop looted, of course…
That’s why all the small business owners are chiming in to cheer when their shops are torn to pieces and burned down!
Do you even hear yourself XD
Most of the times they find it boring, yes. Yet do you know one that has really lost something after the death of Nahel? In my town most burnt shops reopened fast, renewed, and more attractive than before.
And I can’t remember any casualties for shop owners, beside those who got caught trying to hide the bankruptie of their company as a riot burning (for insurance). Do you know some that had real (unsolved) problems because of riots?
The French need rooftop Koreans. :)
They need guns and a super Mario brother
As much as I like the roof Koreans, they would get firebombed if they were in France, the reason they worked in America was because Americans are pussys and when legit confronted with violence, they piss their pants and run away.
Won’t speak for you, but I’m not getting close enough to toss a Molotov cocktail at a man in an elevated position with a long gun. 😬 (Seriously, reread your comment and think out how that would work IRL.)
In a city envorment with tons of cover? see your clearly not thinking past your fear responce.
Spot on!
pretend i have the digital image editing skills to combine these please:
spoliered because holy fuck that took up a lot of my screen
