• Madison420@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.

    Now, you’ve said peace talks. No one has stopped those and it’s no surprise fighting still has not stopped.

    You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians. If Russia is so altruistic when then do they not see these “desperate prisoners of war” and give them mercy by withdrawimg from Ukraine since as your source says they are there killing civilians… Children… For a fucking political stunt.

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      That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.

      If anything, the initial proposal was about Russia cedeing territory that it has captured (since 2022 invasion) to Ukraine, not the other way around.

      No one has stopped those

      No one has been doing any serious peace talks after the initial ones either.

      You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians

      Those as well, but you have to deal with more immediate problem first.

      If Russia is so altruistic

      Where did I say that?

      they are there killing civilians…

      Ukraine does it as well.

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        2 months ago

        Point to where it says cedeing territory.

        to yield or grant typically by treaty

        Russia won’t involve themselves without certain base demands that are never going to happen and remember they are invaders in a sovereign nation they started a war with to pressure NATO and pressure Ukraine out of joining NATO.

        More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

        Your argument only works if they are at heart basically altruistic, otherwise simply stopping fighting back would simply result in a dramatic unopposed military defeat likely of the entire country so Ukraine could never join NATO. You know, that being their goal as per your sources.

        Remind me, did Ukraine start the war? Would there be any civilian war casualties if there weren’t a war?

        Again, childish short-sighted bullshit.

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          2 months ago

          Point to where it says cedeing territory.

          to yield or grant typically by treaty

          Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.

          More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

          People being kidnapped on the streets and being sent to die.

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            2 months ago

            You have 4 subjects and that sentence doesn’t make sense for any of them, can you try it again but you know … better.

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                That makes sense for one of those quotes, do you want to link them together into a coherent thought the people that aren’t voices in your head can understand as the language known as English. Can we do that?

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                    Ok one by one.

                    Point to where it says cedeing territory.

                    Did you point to in the previous contextual comment where I said cede territory. I did not at that, I said they would have to cede to Russia as in relinquish sovereign authority by treaty.

                    to yield or grant typically by treaty

                    Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.

                    That’s not me, that’s your source. Keep up with the conversation.


                    ^ A page break so you don’t sound like a fucking lunatic who can’t separate two thought chains.

                    More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

                    People being kidnapped on the streets and being sent to die.

                    So these people, who you have zero firsthand accounts of are more important then not killing kids so a sovereign nation doesn’t join NATO as is their right as an autonomous nation.

                    If I want you to not be such a fucking idiot can I invade your parents home kill your daughter and displace your grandparents? No? Then how the fuck do you excuse Russia doing the same.