I just got banned from linux@lemmy.ml, which seems to be the biggest Linux community out there.
For context, it was about the recent Vaxerski incident, where I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff. I wasn’t even trying to be hurtful against anyone, just shared my 2 cents in an already ongoing conversation.
Sure, ine might not agree with my opinion, and I don’t agree with others, and this is totally normal. But at least we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else… without having a mod intervening into the conversation
So to all the mods out there: Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!
If anyone wants to know why this user was banned.
I love open mod logs.
Lmao. So OP is unwilling to show others the simple courtesy of respecting their gender identity then comes running here to whine about dIsReSpeCt because their bigoted hot take got them a three day ban from a community. 🙄
Edit: Ooooh and they’re on a three day old account too? In that case I give it an hour or two before they realize they aren’t getting any sympathy here and run to r/RedditAlternatives to complain about “censorship” on Lemmy and lament the lack of freeze peach reddit alternatives.
Regarding my account… I was previously on lemmy.world, (under the same username) but moved to programming.dev since world defederated from piracy@dbzer0, and I didn’t want to have multiple accounts.
So yeah, it’s new in that manner, but I’m surely not a troll.
As soon as I saw it was about “the whole gender stuff” I knew it had to be some garbage bigoted take lol
As I said, this is my opinion, I didn’t impose my opinion onto others and i certainly don’t expect everyone to agree with me.
But I don’t think a
perma-ban from the whole community is the right answer here.It was a temp ban
thx, just realized it’s 3 days… didn’t even know I could look it up, and I also didn’t get notified about the ban (or at least not in the app that I’m using now)
Also be less naive. Mods are going to power trip. This is not kindergarten it’s 17th century French aristocracy.
OP received a 3 day temporary ban for violating the instance’s rule against transphobia. That in no way, shape, or form, constitutes a moderator “power trip.”
Just out of curiosity, can you define transphobia? That’s a rhetorical question.
Are you dumb or just don’t own a dictionary? It’s a rethorical question.
It looks like you were temp banned from the linux community for 3 days
The comment you made was transphobia which goes against the programming.dev code of conduct. I suggest reading the comment of the user who replied to you and learning how to respect people more
This comment
does not qualify as a “respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else”
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Generally, and I can only speak for myself, but GENERALLY, the way it works is someone takes offense at your comment and reports it.
That report goes to the mods of that community along with the Admins of your instance, in your case programming.dev.
Any action taken by the mods or admins is then recorded in the modlog.
In your case, you got a 3 day ban:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=7110660
“Rule 1 - No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.”
And, yeah, your comment hits that rule. I would have removed it from my communities as well.
Ban-worthy? Not for a single comment for ME at least. If it looked like you were engaging in a pattern of behavior or trolling, then yeah, that’s a ban.
Transphobic leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Let’s take islam as an example… btw, I’m a muslim.
If I’d say something along these lines “It’s absurd that we live in a society where people feel the urge to tell me to greet them with ‘sallam alleykum’”.
Would that be islamophobic?
And yes, I agree, If I were to go around and just write these types of comments on every occasion, sure, that’d be a rightful ban.
“It’s absurd that we live in a society where people feel the urge to tell me to greet them with ‘sallam alleykum’”.
There’s already a huge difference between what happened and your example here. Your example is “people saying you must do X” . What happens when it comes to gender is people asking, “please do not do X”.
They’re not saying you must refer to them as, for instance, she/her, but rather asking that you do not refer to them as he/him/they/them/whatever. You’re free to just not use pronouns to refer to them at all if that suits you better - you can refer to them by name instead. You’re left with plenty of options and only a handful of restrictions.
Your example, on the other hand, is completely restrictive; you must take this single course of action, and there are no alternatives.
For what it’s worth, I do think we’re in a fairly transitional stage (ha) of how we as society deal with transgenderism. I think people being made to change their pronouns in order to feel comfortable is silly. Not because those people are silly - they’re just doing what they can to feel comfortable with the restrictions society has placed on them - but because society and language are silly.
Why do we refer to people by gender at times when it’s completely irrelevant? Someone having a penis, or male hormones, or whatever other “masculine qualities”, is irrelevant 99% of the time when I refer to them as he/him. If I say, “Donald Trump? Yeah, he’s a corrupt idiot,” then why does him having a penis have any bearing on the language I use there?
And why do we have such gendered roles in society? Why can’t men just wear dresses and make-up and link the colour pink and still identify as men? Why can’t women cut their hair short and wear baggy clothes and like engineering projects and lifting weights at the gym and still identify as women? I guarantee that if we could remove all those kinds of gender associations, you’d see a lot less trans people.
People transition because who they are and what they like, and what society says they have to be (based on their gender) are at odds with each other, and it’s literally easier for them to change gender in order to be allowed to be themselves than to change society. Being trans isn’t some kind of personal failing; it’s a failure of society to accommodate people who deviate even slightly from its rigid roles and expectations.
The ideal future, such as I see it, is for there to be no trans people because no-one feels a need to transition - they can just feel comfortable and accepted as they are. But until then, you need to recognise that there’s a societal issue and stop being a part of it. It takes such a small amount of effort on your part to use the pronouns someone requests, or to avoid using pronouns at all, and it makes such a huge difference to them to be gendered properly. So just be a decent, respectful person and accommodate their wishes and stop making their life worse.
Totally agree, opinion shouldn’t enter into such decisions. It’s emotional immaturity to do so.
You lost me at “immaturity” here.
Why is that? Many don’t have it or the credibility to determine what’s accurate or not.
Because you don’t call grownups immature. It’s dumb.
Well, some alleged grownups are exactly that. Especially ones that believe our western propaganda without critical thinking skills.
What you describe may be undesirable behaviors, but that’s not immaturity.
Lack of critical thinking, stubbornness, indoctrination, ignorance, whatever you want to call it. Not immaturity.
Refusing to treat people with the barest minimum of respect is not a “personal opinion”, it’s behavior that no space should tolerate.
barest minimum of respect
what’s that even supposed to mean? If I talk to someone like I do with everyone else, without changing my tone/or opinion based on whatever race/religion/identity they go by, then I certainly am treating everyone with the same amount of respect.
We’ve lived for millennia now, and I don’t recall a single book where a person of the past was mentioned in addition with their pronoun, in the sense of “____ was a writer/artist/mathematician in the late 1800s who went by they/them”… etc.
We’re introducing unnecessary complications into an already complicated society we live in.
Have you ever wondered why that is? LGBTQ and non-binary people existed in the 19th century too, they just weren’t safe to live as they chose to publicly. And when it was mentioned in literature it was typically couched in euphemisms of the period. I understand that you’d clearly prefer all these people go back in the closet rather than be inconvenienced by having to acknowledge their existence, but are you really daft enough to think this is something dreamed up in the 2010s? For fuck sake…
ok, then what about the 16th century, 5th, 2nd, 100 B.C, 200 B.C?
Yes, homosexuality and non-gender conforming individuals have existed throughout human history and across all cultures with varying social attitudes toward them. You know, you’re quite opinionated for someone with no demonstrable understanding of the topic, but I suppose that explains a lot.
You’re talking as if transgenderism and homosexuality (and their problems) emerged in the 19th century. That’s why I asked you about the other centuries?
Pederasty was a socially acceptable thing back in 600 b.c amongst the Etruscans, for example.
I neither said nor implied any such thing. You brought up books written in the 1800s which is why my initial reply specifically focused on the 19th century. You’re either dumb or you’re here in bad faith, but based on your last sentence, being a weak attempt to shift the conversation from LGBTQ and non-binary people to pederasts, which is straight out of the right-wing playbook, it’s safe to assume the latter. So we’re done here.
lol, right-wing playbook… dude, I’m anything but right-wing
Well, my @programming.dev account got banned!
I guess, I’ll just have to shut up, and just keep posting memes. 🤷🏻
Thanks for telling on yourself so I can block this account too. Please continue replying with any more alts you have so I don’t miss any.
wait, you can block my account even if you’re not on lemmy.world?
Hi adONis,
a “block” is not a “ban”. e.i. : if I have account ABC and from that ABC account I block user 123 then, from ABC I cannot read anything posted by 123 but I would be able to read 123’s posts from my other accounts (and so would anybody else).oh ok, I thought the previous OP was some kind of mod on one of the instances I had signed up for.
thx for clarifying 👍
we should be able to have sane and respectful conversations where no one is insulting each other, or anyone else
Why should we?
Your personal opinion does not give you the right to delete comments and block users, just because their opinions don’t align with yours!
Actually it does. Just like IRC, the fediverse is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship. As a user, you have no rights at all. You’re offered the privilege of being permitted to connect and participate. Don’t like it? Nobody cares. Go start your own server/network/whatever.
So, we prefer dictatorships now? Interesting.
Curious as to why your comment got downvoted. Are people saying dictatorships aren’t bad?
In this context, the word “dictatorship” means something very different to what it means in general usage referring to the governance of nation states. OP’s comment seems like a silly effort to try and shoe-horn their favourite political subject into a thread where the subject doesn’t fit.
I shared my personal opinion about the whole gender stuff.
Keep your shitty opinions that don’t concern others to yourself. Seems like people are not interested
Downvote it to oblivion then, but disagreeing or not being interested is no reason to remove a post.
Edit: Saw the post. I think the removal was valid, but the ban was a little harsh. And not being interested had nothing to do with it.
I think the ban was a little too harsh, but removing that comment was the right decision.
I also see a few problems with your “your highness” comparison:
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“Your highness” is an official title, not a personal designation. Its proper usage depends heavily on the context, e.g. the perceived social rank and status, how well people know each other, if it’s a formal or informal conversation, and so on. Pronouns have none of that, you just use the one people identify as and that’s it.
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It implies that people just pick whatever term they can come up with to mess with others or to mock them. People don’t choose a pronoun lightly, they usually think about it a lot and it’s an important personal decision. They also usually pick one of the common pronouns, so it’s really not hard to just use it.
Making quick logical comparisons regarding social norms is a very tricky thing in my experience. There are many things going on that we aren’t fully aware of all of the time, and getting it wrong can hurt people badly.
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