• Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee
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    I am personally someone who is annoyed by NDT. But I am not convinced his actions are net negative, and think the opposite is more likely. Folks who find him insufferable and also don’t develop a passion for science probably aren’t dissuaded from entering the field as a whole because of this one annoying guy. However, kids who find one season of Cosmos interesting or only see 5 of his tweets may actually develop a love for science before realizing that NDT is annoying. He’d be a much better role model, reach more people, and make the science community look better if he was better, but that doesn’t make him bad when there are literally anti-science advocates out there. We need all the celebrity scientists we can get as long as they aren’t actively doing harm in my opinion.

    Edit: also, the number of ragebait debates he has started that get other folks talking about science isn’t insignificant. He’s probably gotten some people into science just so they could shut guys like him up lol

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      I’d say as far as public personalities go, he’s in the good not great box. As bad as things are, society can use a whole lot more “good enough”.

      Edit: in the context of popular/public science education, which was what you were discussing. Nothing else about him is part of my statement.

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      He’s perfect for kids, i guess, but he’s always telling the simplest things with the attitude of the smartest man alive, and that’s what irritates me. I understand the good he’s doing aind kinda appreciate it, it’s just that he’s every-fucking-where.

      edit: omfg, ater reading the comments here i reconsider. Fuck NDT.

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      What do you find annoying about him? I think he’s absolutely fine, though I don’t follow him too closely, so I’m probably closer to that kid who watched a season of Cosmos and saw a handful of tweets than anything.

      I looked a bit into him, and it looks like, as with many (most?) celebrities, there are sexual misconduct allegations. I don’t know the details of any of those cases, so I can’t really tell if it’s legitimate, if he’s largely being targeted due to his celebrity, or a mixture of both. Regardless, I don’t think that matters at all when discussing his work on TV, running a planetarium, or doing science outreach programs. Nobody is perfect, so we should seek to separate the message from the messenger.

      I’m much more interested in the “ragebait debates” thing you mentioned, but unfortunately his Wikipedia article doesn’t mention “controversies” or whatever. That said, this has a lot more relevance to his work as a public science figure.

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        Honestly just look up “Neil Degrasse Tyson annoying” and I am sure you’ll find plenty of examples and summaries. But it honestly boils down to his delivery and projected self image.

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      I don’t like him for his Anti-Philosophy rhetoric. It weakens his position as an academic and as a science advocate.

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    NDT seems like the kinda guy that would be shoving some nerd into a locker. Dude was a wrestler. I don’t think he’d be bullying nerds tho

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      “I am not actually ‘shoving’ you into a locker Timmy. I am merely using mechanical force to shut the locker door through its hinges and simply allowing your body to find the path of least resistance: inside of it.”

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      Naw he just bullies everyone else acting like an expert in every single field because he’s an expert in one while sexually harassing them.

      NDT wouldn’t bully nerds. He tries to rape them.

      Edit: Reminder that NDT was accused of sexual harassment and assault by 4 women. He all but admitted it in a Facebook post where he tried justifying it with bizarre and frankly creepy reasons. Only real investigations done were by a company that had a finacial stake in him being found innocent (This was post filming Cosmos but before it was released).

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          Wait what? Oh now I’ve gotta look into this.

          Edit: Wow. Okay. So Neil pinned himself to a kickstarter for a Video Game called Space Odyssey: The Video Game that was being promised. When the KS was fully funded, the developer vanished and took all money. They promised a ludicrous amount of stuff, so much so that people were claiming it was a scam before the proof that it was happened. After everything was done, they claimed that the kickstarter was for an IDEA for a video game, not a game itself.

          So either NDT is a gullible fool who can be roped into anything (which kind if discounts a lot of what he has to say) or he went in with the knowledge that this was a scam just so he could get a payout.

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            Yeah, i saw it on a YouTube channel that covers Kickstarter scams. No idea what the channel name is though.

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    About shoving NDT into a locker. The dude was a wrestler. Someone trying that with him would have been the one in the locker.

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    did you know that you can kiss yourself in a mirror ? (x30 times)

    or whatever he said

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      I’m advocating for Neil deGrasse Tyson shutting the hell up every once in a while

      Edit: Since I need to apparently explain this, NDT is specifically known and not liked for talking about subjects with which he has no knowledge as if he is an expert. Moreover, he will inject himself into random topics of conversation (much like this Halo one) to say that this entirely fantastical thing could never happen in reality because of this one specific thing. People are aware of that, he’s not giving anyone new information. It just aggressively comes off as “Um, actually <this>” and the fact that he will do it in the exact same tone of voice every single time is just grating.

      Moreover, as pointed out elsewhere, NDT was a wrestler in high school. HE was the one doing the bullying in the first place which clearly extrapolated into his professional career given he was accused of sexual harassment by 4 women and then admitted it with bizarre ass justifications. So yeah. Fuck Neil DeGrasse Tyson. No I’m not pro putting neurodivergent youth into a locker and it’s frankly idiotic to even suggest that or come to that conclusion. What I am pro is Neil deGrasse Tyson finally shutting up and exiting public life after acting like a monumental douchebag for decades.

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        His statement is absolutely correct. It’s basic physics.

        Simply don’t listen and don’t reply to statements you don’t like. Just like the statement you are reading right now.

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          And just because it is correct doesn’t mean that it’s necessary. The only thing he does is go around on Twitter and actively insert himself into some popular thing just to say “Um actually it couldn’t work because reason.” It’s douchebag behavior and the fact that this behavior with him is so consistent is just annoying. We know it isn’t possible in real life. That’s why he’s a genetically created supersoldier killing aliens in space on a giant ring. Nothing about the franchise is realistic. It is annoying that he just goes “Hey this one particular thing? Wouldn’t happen” when the rest of everything is also equally as impossible. That’s what the post is about. It isn’t going out and finding him and attacking him. It is merely opinion and a simple post. That’s all. Chill.

          Or, in other words, simply don’t pay attention to and don’t reply to posts that you don’t like. I’d really suggest practicing what you preach. If he’s allowed to randomly inject himself into a topic then so the hell am I.

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              Really? Because it looks like you just did by lecturing me about it.

              Again. Practice what you preach. You don’t get to go around and say “Um actually he’s allowed to say whatever he wants” while actively denying other people that exact same ability.

              I’m just blocking you now. This is some gross ass redditor behavior to try and police other peoples posts while acting like you’re above it all. You’re not. You’re just lying to yourself.

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                And I still didn’t make a post about it. I simply commented on a post someone felt necessary to produce and put out to see for the world (whatever the reasoning behind that decision really was).

                Btw: NDT still is right with the physics.

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          Lol the last line of your comment sounded like it was read by ndt

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          My odor is absolutely authentic. It’s basic exocrinology. Simply don’t smell me and don’t comment on my smell if you don’t like it.

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    It’s really okay if not everything makes sense. Sometimes fiction is enhanced by a bit of fairytale magic that you just take for granted.

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    Well a 8 mm Rope already can have a minimum breaking load of 50 kN, roughly equivalent of 5 tonne. So if you don’t need to store high lengths of wire rope,.this should be absolutely possible.

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      I think the complaint is that the suit accelerates toward the alien when the opposite must be true.

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        The suit also has a built in jetpack, force field generator, and a cloaking device. Who are we to say what is or isn’t possible with that thing?

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          Of course, but ignoring such basic physics does look silly as hell when you notice it, especially when it doesn’t feel intentional.

          Your logic could be applied to make the suit do literally anything, but I’ll bet if it had the power to grant three wishes you’d find it silly too. And that would at least be an intentional choice rather than feeling like an oversight.

          Superman is even less close to reality, but it still looks funny to me when he picks up a building and somehow it doesn’t collapse. Does he have magic powers to give the building walls super strength? Or did the writers not think beyond “Supes strong, Supes pick up big heavy.” It felt very silly once I happened to think about it.

          Doesn’t make either of them bad, just makes me chuckle.

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    Everything he said plus today.

    With our current level of technology, that is impossible. Who knows what materials are we going to discover in the future?

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        Can you expand more on that, please?

        The more I read the text the less sense it makes to and not having watched the described scene, I’m at a loss.

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          If you want it expanded upon, Sir Isaac Newton did so in his Principia Mathematica Philosophiae Naturalis, written in 1686. Specifically, whenever one object exerts a force on another object, the second object exerts an equal and opposite on the first.

          I’m sure there’s better educated people than me that could point out other laws of physics that Halo breaks with the grappling hook, but that’s the one that comes to mind. These aren’t things you can just develop more advanced tech for, and they can then be overcome. These are the fundamental laws that govern the entire universe. The only time we see them bend a little is in places like inside the cores of neutron stars. In other words, if you were around somebody that was bending these laws using some fancy piece of tech, it would probably end up being a very short and very bad day for you and everyone else.