• TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      He’s going through mental gymnastics instead of just kissing those cute cross dressers. Of course he’s deranged

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      You won’t get HIV from receiving oral sex under normal circumstances. That might be a confusing factor. Don’t know specifics of other diseases.

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    This is somewhat closer to some historical ideas on sex and gender than our strict homo/hetero divide.

    In the classical period manliness in sex was more about being the penetrator rather than who you were penetrating. Intercrucial sex as he describes was quite popular among the Greeks, I believe. “You’re only gay if you take it” is an attitude that still exists in some places.

    The insecure need to deny the “gayness” is quite childish and perpetuates damaging homophobia, but you can identify as a man, fuck men, and not identify as gay. Human sexual is broader than the boundaries any one culture tries to put on it.

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      8 months ago

      That’s not true. Homosexuality has always considered bad and sexual relations with another man were considered gay.

      A few years ago buzzfeed decided to give their perspectives on history and invented this false narrative that people in the past were more tolerant of gays.

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        You could just do some basic fact checking yourself. There is an entire wiki entry on Homosexuality in ancient Rome. And Greece. And China

        The conquest mentality and “cult of virility” shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role.

        The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identity as modern Western societies have done. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.

        Opposition to homosexuality in China rose in the medieval Tang dynasty, but did not become fully established until the late Qing dynasty and the Chinese Republic.

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          I did dig into this and it turns out I was on the right track. A few Modern “historians” have been trying to revise history with some skechy interpretations of ancient literature thinking it meat that figures were gay or approving of gay relationships. While ignoring all the other literature and context.

          If you dig into each of the examples in your link you’ll find no evidence.

          Ancient Greeks and Roman’s hated gays and all throughout their literature they use gay as an insult. That thing about only the bottom being gay is also horseshit. If you lay at all with a man they considered you a homosexual.

            • Fizz@lemmy.nz
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              Thebes was a strong end to the sacred band saga. I thought it did a good job tying up the story ends. It turns out the real sacred band was the band of friends we made along the way.

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    Man sucking the penis of another man… I dunno that reads a little gay to me. Is gay just involving the ass now?

    Do we need new definitions

    Homoslighly? Toptetotaller?

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      I know someone kinda like this. They call it “Heteroflexible”.

      “I’m straight. But a mouth is a mouth.”

      Whatever dude. You’re a Bi top who doesn’t go all the way.

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        People just care too much about labels. Clearly they’ve figured out what they’re comfortable with and just are uncomfortable with the black and white labels

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          Yes, but the thing is, there can be very real consequences that affect job opportunities, etc. I was railroaded out of a job in a small rural southern town because I became friends with a member of a another race. I was never called a N-Lover, but it was blatantly obvious what was happening. I wouldn’t have done anything different. I’m not one of those sister fucking inbreeds.

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        But the thing is… who gives a shit, and if they do, why? Social ostracization. Being banished from your society, and the chance of violent consequences. That’s why people distance themselves from what the consensus thinks is deviant behavior.