• fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
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    8 months ago

    Posting this at top level since its burried in replies:

    Fact time. You don’t always die when shot, and the US is a baby factory. I can’t find good stats on non-lethal gunshot, so I’ll do the rest.

    Verdict: Pretty accurate.

    • 8.4% without health insurance (33 in 400)
    • 11.5% poverty rate (46 in 400)
    • 20% adults at or below literacy level 1 (80 in 400)
    • 57% mental illness untreated (228 in 400) (requires math from NIH source)

    References:

    • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      17 days ago

      You didn’t fact-check how many trans people there are in the U.S.1

      It looks to be between 0.5% and 1.6% of the total U.S. population (2 - 6 in 400).

      References:

      Semi-related, the number of intersex people (in the literature they talk about people with “disorders of sexual development”) have also been estimated to be around 1% of the population (4 in 400), source:

      https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a

      1 yes, the U.S. isn’t mentioned in the OP, but your sources are looking at U.S. demographics and so I will continue with the U.S.-centrism already present.


      Some Thoughts (oh boy):

      There is a weird logic to pointing out how few trans people there are actually are in the OP. Even if there were many more trans people, (like if there really were 1 in 5 trans people as is commonly mis-perceived), would that make the GOP’s campaign of fear-mongering and animus any more justified? I don’t think this is what Shon (@gayblackvet) was going for, but it almost seems like a consequence of how the message was written.

      Maybe I’m wrong here, but does it seem like way it is written implies that the problem is not that the trans panic is unjustified in its fear of trans people, but that it is merely blown out of proportion? Maybe the angle was that even if we assume trans people are a problem, it’s still so few people it’s not worth all this panic and legislation (there are >500 anti-trans bills in the U.S. right now, over 40 of them have already passed).

      Rhetorically this perspective-taking might be effective in appealing to mildly transphobic centrists or moderate conservatives who are not entirely comfortable with trans people but who might not want to be perceived as transphobic and don’t want to be associated with the rabid and vocal transphobia of the GOP.

      That wedge between a more moderate closeted transphobe and a more openly transphobic right-wing one is politically useful, so I am not necessarily complaining, but there is a concern here about whether tackling transphobia is really the goal here, and if so how we should best go about that.

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    8 months ago

    my favourite is how tennessee effectively made insurance more expensive for everyone because one trans child wanted to play sports with her friends in school

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        8 months ago

        they basically put up a bill that banned tenncare from contracting with organizations that offer gender affirming care in any state, which is… a lot of organizations which limits the options which makes everything more expensive. at the time it was all based on a lawsuit from one 8 year old trans girl who wanted to play sports with her friends.

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          8 months ago

          Nothing more Republican than having the government artificially restrict free market capitalism… wait that not what every Republican I’ve ever known has said they support. Weird.

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    8 months ago

    If at least 1 person in the room of 400 is shot per day they’d be dead in just over a year…

    Last I checked the population of the US wasn’t plummeting, so what else is wrong here?

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      8 months ago

      Not to detract from the overall message, buuuut…

      48,313 gun deaths in US in 2021.

      333,000,000 people in US

      On those rates 0.05 people in a room of 400 would be shot per year, so 1 person per 20 years.

      It’d 1 person every 2 years in a room of 4,000.

      Also those mental health numbers are off given the lifetime prevalence of most disorders being around 5%.

      2/400 (0.5%) of the population identifying as trans would be 1,665,000 people - which may be plausible but idk, I generally work on the figure of ~4% of any population being LBGTQI.

      Poverty numbers are probably bang on.

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        8 months ago

        “shot” does not mean “killed”.

        What I can find is roughly 315 people getting shot every day in the US. Out of 333m, that’s roughly 1 in 1m daily. In a room of 400 that’s 1 per 6.8 years.