https://xcancel.com/Kasparov63/status/2006907711607418920
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Garry Kasparov; Mamdani; collectivism; socialism
It’s so cool how chess invented weirdo gamer chuds long before before CoD was a twinkle in the CIA’s propaganda department’s wallet, but it gets treated as something prestigious instead of just antiquated nerd shit.
Surely chess stopped being impressive when Paradox grand strategy games were developed. Kasparov couldn’t revive the Roman Empire while balancing an economy.
Grand strategy slop is genuinely better than chess (because it’s actually fun) and I say this entirely to drag chess down without elevating grand strategy beyond its status as nerd slop for the trough. The only thing chess has going for it is that its comparatively simple rules have been tweaked for centuries by nerds arguing about them until they were all happy/equally unhappy with them, but this also goes along with centuries of established meta and and literature that give the most insufferable nerds a huge advantage if they do the reading.
Chess is like poker without the element of chance, and sucks for all the same reasons poker does.
Chess being perfect information makes it extremely different from poker and it’s kind of a weird comparison to make.
They’ve both got that same simple core with a heavily matured meta where basic competency comes from memorizing a whole lot of rote moves/hands. There’s really not much difference between “using rote knowledge and fuzzy reasoning about what’s going to be likely and or optimal to guess what your opponent is likely to do” between a game where you can see all the bits and one where half the guess is which bits are even there. You’re still guessing about what’s going to happen based on having studied a bunch of absolutely insufferable, dreary bullshit and then thinking really hard at it.
Also both games suck and have horrible fanbases, so they have that in common too.
I don’t think memorizing openings is remotely comparable on any level to knowing how hands work beyond “you need to learn how it works and therefore memory is involved,” which is not a useful description, and you’re basically handwaving the entire field of game theory as not containing any meaningful distinctions if it’s a well-studied game (to say nothing of social reasoning). This is just sophism.
Poker is much better then chess. Atleast each hand you COULD win. In chess, one wrong move and woops you lose. The opening memorization shit, castling and in passing (I WILL NOT SPEAK FRENCH), the fact everyone knows white has a severe advantage…
Go is the real “simple” thinking man’s game.
You can definitely lose a game of Go from one wrong move at a particular time.
do NOT shit talk poker around me 😤
LETS GO GAMBLING
Grand strategy is also nerd slop. I just like the dynamism of it. There are so many additional variables that every player has to do that “I’m so smart I can think 30 moves ahead” thing intuitively, all while keeping a similar historical metagame in mind where they have to know the trajectories of all of their competing nations/world events.
sorry that chess doesn’t have fog of war mechanics
Slop is more fun than a centuries old board game, yes, probably, but they’re totally different games. They’re both fun, I think the beauty of chess is precisely because it is so limited, each move is so simple but means so much.
Chess is also slop, and its problem isn’t that its simple it’s that the actual experience of building up a library of experience of rote moves and patterns to then sit and sift through trying to guess which thing you’ve seen before your opponent will do is just sort of shit. Games with such thoroughly matured and optimized play are unapproachable and dull. The joy of a game is in intuiting out fresh systems and experiencing them, not performing a rote task you read in a book against the sort of person who plays chess.
Depends what you’d call slop really - I don’t think there’s anything predatory or addictive about chess in the same way as a lot of computer games. And as for the rote moves - I feel like I could reduce a lot of games to that too, as there’s always a meta game. But yes, I agree, computer games are more varied and fun. But I still wouldn’t call chess slop.
And as for the rote moves - I feel like I could reduce a lot of games to that too, as there’s always a meta game.
Sure, it’s just most games don’t have literally centuries of established strategy and meta. Like modern games are kind of a “the general level of skill is so high that this is getting unapproachable” after 5 or so years, where 1,000 hours is still considered a new player. Chess is an order of magnitude beyond that, at least.
But then I have ADHD that manifests in a paradoxical “I have a compulsive need to learn things, but not about them; I have to devour systems and rules and comprehend them and once I do most of the joy is gone unless it’s something truly special and even that has to be cycled through” that leaves little room for refinement or outside study of the sort that defines games like chess.
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Fire Emblem is 10 times better than chess
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The “warmth of individualism” is to freeze while those with heated mansions tell you how inadequate your work ethic is.
Ask a capitalist what they hate about communism and they will describe capitalism.
This is Texas every year. Except the rich people don’t even have the good taste to live in mansions, they all live in ugly McMansions. But at least the states’ electrical grid can take pride in its rugged individualism.
It is funny how we consider being good at Chess a sign of general intelligence. “This guy is good at a board game, he must have great insights into politics”
Maybe it was in an earlier era, but at this point it’s pretty well established that to be a top chess guy you basically have to forsake all other mental tasks.
Nah, Bobby Fisher and Kasparov fully disabused that notion to anyone who was paying attention.
“This guy is good at a board game, he must have great insights into politics”
“This guy is good at video games, he must have great insights into politics”
“This guy is a comedian, he must have great insights into politics”
“This guy is an influencer, he must have great insights into politics”
Many such cases
a little gauche to quote myself but
many chess grandmasters have a remarkable degree of arrogance for how entirely unimpressive being very good at a board game is
Uneven development is why capitalists hate socialist countries. This is a very sincere concern. Why didn’t everyone automatically get a heated dacha? As we all know, there are no limitations or competing needs when allocating resources. I’m not the idealist, you are. THAT’S WHY EVERYONE IN THE CAPITALIST WORLD HAS A HEATED DACHA.
What I really love about this is that a dacha is a 2nd home for hanging out in on vacation or days off. They’re very common in Russia. A legacy of the Soviet Union. People love to get out of the city on the weekend, do some gardening, foraging for mushrooms, and grilling. A couple generations of Midwest industrial workers have them too. Auto workers have little cabins all over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. It’s extremely rare now for an American to have a fucking dacha, even without heat. The lack of universal heated dachas in the socialist world is the most out of touch complaint I’ve ever heard. I would gladly have an unheated dacha. My friend showed me her parent’s unheated dacha in Russia, and it looks awesome.
“not everyone in the USSR had a modern heating system in their second or vacation home” just doesn’t hit the same
last time i looked it up wasn’t it like 75-80% or some mind blowing number that second home? god i would trade some shitty cheap western comodities for a second home in the country and like 8 weeks of vacation time
In Scandinavian countries some labor unions will up and own a bunch of little summer cottages and timeshare them as a union benefit. 5 years of service with the union? Free week in the country
Some Soviet unions would have resorts on the Black Sea for their members.
the benefits the average worker was given blew me away when i first read about them. retirement at 55 for heavy labor jobs 60 for everyone else, more vacation time then soc dem governments. i guess some people got complacent and then came that lust for shiny new things instead of appreciating how much of your life is yours
Amazing how they willingly destroyed their countries to live like the US and American workers haven’t come close to the amount of damage they do while living in much worse conditions.
i know gorby wooed many with promises of Nordic social democracy (keep your benefits AND get access to shiny hyper consumerism!) and it seems a general breakdown in Marxist education allowed people to actually think that was possible.
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IF WE EVOLVED TO BE SOLITARY ANIMALS THEN WHY DID EVERY POPULATION OF HUMANS EVER LIVE IN GROUPS, GARY?!
WHY DID HIGH DENSITY POPULATED SOCIETIES POP UP ALL OVER THE PLANET INDEPENDENTLY?!?!
IF THE WAY FORWARD ISNT COLLECTIVE ORGANIZATION, THEN HOW OR WHY DID WE MAKE CITIES YOU ABSOLUTE RUBE?!
In the Grundrisse, Marx has some fun writing about Robinson Crusoe as a founding myth of liberal individualism that was at odds with the entirety of human history.
Rugged individualism is the path of freedom and prosperity, America proved it.
Oh word, how’s America doing lately?
“You don’t kill the goose because not everyone gets the same number of eggs” yeah try telling that to the people who never get to have any of the eggs. If they get no eggs whether the goose is alive or not, why would they care if the goose dies or not.
but what about my grandfather’s monopoly on goose eggs
Why is this goose giving out all of its eggs itself? This is a strange goose.
Kasparov is a CIA asset
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I don’t intend to kill the goose. I intend to kill the few hundred people that are taking 98% of the eggs
We shall make no excuse for the terrorI want to hug the goose, give it better a better quality life so it is strong enough to provide eggs for as many people as it wants.
The hypocritical oligarchs made foie gras out of it rather than see regular people having eggs
20 million people just lost health insurance. Thats rugged individualism for ya.
I really wish anti-communist arguments were better. They’re so bad, it’s almost makes me feel a little anti-human sometimes, like “seriously? You’re actually falling for this stupid shit?” Why can’t they ever try a little harder beyond just pointing to a thing that happens in capitalism and insist that socialism will do that instead. And why does it have to work on so many people despite being the most obvious bullshit?
They don’t care that the arguments are bad. They only respond to tone and the smug desire to feel like they’re the Serious Adults In The Room
Starting to think that Sartre quote about antisemites applies to liberals in general
Scratch a lib and a fascist bleeds.
Genius Kasparov who promoted the new chronology conspiracy theory that says most of premodern history was invented to hide how Russians are actually the ubermensch
lol wut tell me more
Edit: I guess you’re talking about this
Wiki page for it I think Kasparov has distanced himself from it but I’ve never seen him fully deny it, though nobody calls him on it. If you’ve heard of the ‘Tartaria’ or ‘mud flood’ theory I think they share the same conspiracy roots Mia Mulder video on Tartaria
On the creator of the theory:
He also claims that Jesus lived in the 12th century A.D. and was crucified on Joshua’s Hill; that the Trojan War and the Crusades were the same historical event; and that Genghis Khan and the Mongols were actually Russians, that the lands west of the Thirteen Colonies that now constitute the American West and Middle West were a far eastern part of “Siberian-American Empire” prior to its disintegration in 1775, and many other claims that contradict conventional historiography. As well as disputing written chronologies, Fomenko also disputes scientific dating techniques such as dendrochronology and radiocarbon dating
that Genghis Khan and the Mongols were actually Russians
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen libs say this in a derogatory manner
Libs love doing pseudohistorical blood quantum calculations more than Hitler did
bro lost a game to a machine 🤣 maybe they should just make mr roboto the grandmaster 😂😂
Kasparov praises welfare capitalism and thinks Mamdani is a communist even though he just wants to do welfare capitalism
First, if mamdani actually said that, based
Second, that last tweet is a fucking bongcloud of an argument. He could see the opponents side of the board and he still played himself. Google en pissant you has-been.
en pissant
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