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I’d say she made the right call, but the right call is not setting foot on US soil.
It’s super weird, this split between people I know are smart (and most Lemmy folks) and normal people out in the wild. It seems like the latter are still in this mindset that everything is normal and think going to America is sane and I wish it was easier to break the news to them but… I dunno.
I’m in the US, family is all very well educated and largely employed within medicine. The Docs still outnumber the MBAs for now, but everyone has been very anti-MAGA right out the gates.
Some of the cousins my age don’t comprehend my want to be out of this country. Things will be back to normal in two years they say. Midterms will put a curb on things, but in two years we can get things back on track. Two years and we can turn this economy around.
But it completely ignores that even going back to normal the deportation camps will remain, Israel will be aided, and 30ish percent of the country is so morally bankrupt and devoid of reason they’d vote for Trump three times. If things go back to normal. The If isnt even that appealing.
Things will be back to normal in two years they say
This kills me… So many people don’t realize this is a permanent state. Not so much exactly what Trump is doing, but every 2 years we’re going to have a surge of Reich wing growth, if we’re lucky we beat it back slightly but it will never stop. We have a solid 40% of voters that will never change their vote no matter what happens. We have a propaganda machine that is only improving in its capacity, and all forms of media are being bought up by Reich wing billionaires. There is no equivalent of this from the “left.”
That’s just it. It feels like I was raised to the morals and ideals of a country that…maybe never existed in the first place?
For what it’s worth, a lot of us were raised with those same morals and ideals, so we may yet have a chance to realize some of them in the future.
But it completely ignores that even going back to normal the deportation camps will remain, Israel will be aided, and 30ish percent of the country is so morally bankrupt and devoid of reason they’d vote for Trump three times. If things go back to normal. The If isnt even that appealing.
Unfortunately, you may be seeking an escape from human stupidity rather than the US in particular. Trump and MAGA are exceptional symptoms of unexceptional problems. If we regard the prison camps for people convicted of no crime and aiding genocidal states to be the issues, then… most countries have those issues, just not to the same degree as the US under Trump.
See: conservatives in Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Middle East, some of Latin America and Southeast Asia…
Also, this is the first time in my lifetime that support for Israel has meaningfully dropped, so… maybe we can keep that going? Which would be nice.
Anyway, not saying “Don’t get out if you can”; absolutely get out if you can. Just remember that you’re escaping a (potentially lethal) symptom, not escaping the underlying diseases.
I’ve no delusions of general human nature and corruption. But the US sits apart in the way it incarcerates and spends its money. And it’s perfectly normal and ignored because most can’t see past their 401ks. I’ve little interest in further enabling such a monstrous endeavor.
Somebody I’ve known online for a few years in now making plans to move to the US from a nicer western European county after having fled there from a politically declining eastern European country 5 or so years ago. And to the Midwest, specifically, too. I live here, and I’d welcome them, but I’m also very much in the “why the fuck” camp.
If they have an EU passport they are entitled to live and work in any EU member state. The idea of moving to the USA when you have that as an option is unfathomable.
Hell, I thought myself lucky to escape to the UK and a lot of Brits would say the same thing you are. I see both sides, but I guess it’s down to what you’re used to.
Everywhere has problems. Sometimes you want different problems.
I was recently talking to a friend in Peru and he mentioned that it’s about time for his usual trip to visit a friend in Miami and I was like…
I told him he shouldn’t come right now. I don’t know if it changed his mind.
Exactly. Why are you going?
