I have some respect for broad anti-war-ism when applied consistently. I don’t agree with it, but it’s at least understandable.
Being pro-Israel and anti-Russia is gibberish (or racist (or both)), and yet it is the broad international consensus in the West.
US and Israel should have the same penalty, any nation in conflict as the aggressor.
I would not even call it broad concencus
There are a lotmpf people that agree what Israel does is fucked up bit have been raised to be so “Jewish people are victims and can never do wrong” that they don’t dare speak out about obvious atrocities leat they be called an antisemitic.
Add to that Israeli and Jewish organizations that will immediately stompvon anyone daring to open their mouth, and yeah, you get a lot of manufactured consent.
The biggest drivers of antisemitism world wide for the past 5 decades have been Israel, the IDF, and Jewish organizations that promote Zionism.
To be clear: I have zero problems with individual Jews. I hate all religions, as all religions are evil but I seriously don’t care if you’re brown, black, green, gay, bi, trans, Catholic, Jewish or Muslim. Be a good person and you’re a friend in my book.
Sure, that other group of child killers and rapists should face the same restrictions as the Russian ones.
Russia is nowhere near the evil of the zionist project. That’s just flattening an entire genocide into a regional conflict.
It’s really not a competition. And using one to lessen the other is not a good look.
You are lessening the genocide in Palestine by saying that the war in Donbas is essentially the same thing.
I explicitly refused to take part in comparing the two.
Not in your very first comment.
that other group of child killers and rapists
portrays them as both “a group of child killers and rapists” flattening the Donbas conflict and the palestinian genocide into an issue about some nebulous “child killers and rapists” and omits any structural, systemic or societal forces at play. It is not just a comparison it’s heavily implied that they are “equally bad”.
Comparison is definitely always warranted. If Ukraine also kills civilians then shouldn’t they be banned too? Also the United States killed civilians shouldn’t they be banned? Wait I’m pretty sure every country has had killed children at some point. But since we can never do any comparison we just have to ban every country’s national anthem from the Olympics.
A lack of comparison results in an analysis that falls short. Killing more people is objectively worse than killing less people, not to mention specific contexts.
Not better
i think (hope) that’s the point
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So with this logic, because of America’s current and past war crimes if America wins gold we don’t get to fly a flag either or hear the anthem? Even if the athlete wants to? What then about Germany, or France, or hell, Iran? I honestly don’t know what countries are in the Olympics these days but sometimes libs tend to get all up in arms about weird shit like olympians should be able to fly their flag?? Why not?? What significance does it hold for this athlete? You just want to humiliate her on behalf of her Government?
Yes to all of your points. People should be ashamed of representing a fascist regime starting wars and committing atrocities.
What’s the point in humiliating this athlete who probably doesn’t even support Putin?
Yes but when it’s Russia people tend to clutch pearls, what we’re engaged in right now (US) is a million times worse before you even get to Iran. I’m not sure if you mean to imply Iran is “representing a fascist regime starting wars and committing atrocities” from my words or not, which was not my intent.
So let’s ban every country currently involved in or creating war in Olympics & World Cup. Hell, Eurovision too. Isreal being involved should be reason enough to boycott them altogether so now let’s do Ukraine, Russia, US, Iran, all NATO countries, Congo, Sudan, Japan/China/Taiwan, throw in Argentina too cuz fuck Milei am I right? …
All of a sudden the sportsball games are real fucking boring … without the worlds most major,oldest, most populated countries… You see why this is dumb and it’s kinda short sighted to place so much nationalist sentiment into fucking sports… I don’t give a fuck about the Olympics anyways cuz they’re always a fascist big dick contest of which country can get the best publicity fluff.
But tbh even tho I don’t care about the sports let them fly their fuckin flags. Except Isreal, they should be barred and shunned from the world stage continually and without exception until they dismantle the genocidal apartheid and change from the ground up.
Like it or not, Russia in its current form ain’t going anywhere. They’ve been a country far longer than most. If the USSR hadn’t been illegally dissolved we wouldn’t be in this mess with Putin anyways. When Russia was Socialist, Isreal was called fucking Palestine and Palestinians were mass killed and forced out of their homes. That’s something that these feverish anti Russia people love to forget when comparing the two unfairly.
Maybe sports should be boring if cunts can’t stop warring with each other maybe. Just a thought. International sports competitions aren’t that important. And yeah, same goes for Eurovision. It’s a singing competition. Don’t give evil regimes air time and representation.
And that applies to all of them. I don’t selectively pick which countries are allowed to do war and which aren’t. Just because one is committing more and bigger atrocities than the other doesn’t make it ok for the other to commit atrocities.
I mean, in a simpler world we could just do sports instead of war. Ha. What a cool world. I’m just trying not to let people get away with equating modern Russia with Israel and saying they shouldn’t be allowed to fly their flag or play the anthem. It’s not like Putin wrote the anthem or designed the flag. You’re clutching pearls.
You still didn’t answer my question tho: Why humiliate this woman on behalf of her government? Do we not let Alysa Liu play the anthem or hold a flag because she needs to be embarrassed for her governments actions? That’s what I’m trying to point out here. You guys hold strange standards for Russia specifically, it doesn’t matter who’s doing “bigger atrocities” because the reality is Russia is treated unfairly because of their government.
infested
What is it with a lot of “fuck russia” types always using the language of filth and vermin to describe the people who disagree with them?
They are channeling their inner Streicher
You tankies coopt Trump speak on a near daily basis - the fuck are you on about?
A: what are you talking about lol
B: Are communists talking about their opponents like a disease or bacterial infection? No. It’s liberals and fascists (but I repeat myself) who do that.
What do you mean by this?
I haven’t been gathering examples, though in hindsight I probably should have.
I’ve seen more and more .mlers adopting populist rhetoric similar to Trump, calling people on the right nasty and vile (which in large part is true, but I prefer accurately calling them ignorant or hateful as opposed to blanket generalizations). You guys, frequently, share the exact same rhetoric as MAGA types - but you’ll never admit it.
I also keep seeing people who call themselves leftists using ‘Dumbocrats’ which is just so fucking weird and juvenile that it makes me wonder half the time whether they’re just trolls.
We’ve got the fake news and media distrust, conspiratorial framing and revisionist history, isolationism, and a similar hostility to anyone on the left that doesn’t immediately capitulate (this last one is practically identical to MAGA interacting with Republicans back when they were infecting the party).
Idk man, I happen to think you’re reasonable for the most part - except when being objective about people that are a part of your movement. Seems like all I need to do is say the magic words of ‘Israel bad, U.S. bad, Ukraine bad, Russia and China - very good!’ and I’m free to say whatever the fuck vile shit I want.
Edit: oh that isn’t even getting into shit like painting Islam as progressive, which is just a total mindfuck.
I haven’t seen this “populist rhetoric” from communists, but very frequently from liberals. I don’t see how I’m responsible either, I’m not influential nor do I use populist rhetoric.
So you’ve got no receipts, unsurprising
coopt Trump speak
Edit: oh that isn’t even getting into shit like painting Islam as progressive, which is just a total mindfuck.
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We are not “Russia Apologists” we critically Russia in its fight against the imperialism of America, we support it in its fight against the paws of America such as Ukraine, ISIS, and the Islamic State in the Sahel.
Fighting right-wing American imperialism with right-wing Russian imperialism seems pretty dumb.
get a grip on reality hasbara bot
Like I care what an imperialist stooge calls me.
Oh, and for the record, fuck Israel too.
Wars of expansion are bad no matter who does it. Guess that makes me a bot. 🤖
I guess that’s easier than considering what I said. Just fingers in the ears.
Oh, and for the record, fuck Israel too.
can you say “Glory to Hamas and the Palestinian resistance faction” or do you consider them imperialist too?
Lesser evil bullshit is not the only strategy that liberals knows? It’s only apply when is talking about USA?
I have no idea what you’re saying.
Try using more or better words.
I’m so sorry that you are a victim of your educational system.
The mistakes that nature made that people calls “American people” doesn’t love to use the logic of the lesser evil to vote/elect the least fascist of the fascist available? How using the same logic against American imperialism not valid?
The US Empire controls the vast majority of global finance capital. Russia doesn’t even have a dozen companies in the global top 500. Imperialism isn’t just a policy choice, it runs on financial domination of the global south, a position the US is the hegemon of and a place Russia couldn’t occupy even if it tried its best to.
Oh, then Putin should get to do whatever he wants.
Fuckin’ right-wing imperialists in denial.
Who said Putin should be able to do whatever he wants? How is critically supporting Russia for their progressive role in undermining the global system by which the global south is plundered by the west the same as supporting Putin in all cases?
You do realize that you’re taking the side of the actual imperial hegemon, right?
Learn to read dumbass
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Apologist implies an apology.
I think it’s refering to the old greek usage,. that means defense, like Socrates Apology, where instead of appologing for the Genocide he was accused of, he just defended himself.
I support Russia
They clarified in the thread that they’re not an apologist, they’re a supporter.
Try harder halfwit
By that logic, can’t we apply all the crimes of the Russian war against Ukraine to that girl too? Like, not to defend the Israeli athletes, but do we know if they personally committed rape or murder? Do we know that the Russian girl didn’t?
I feel like a simpler solution would be to not let a country participate in the event at all if they are the aggressor in a war and/or committing atrocities, especially if the organisation/country hosting it is on the opposite side of the war 🤷♂️
I feel like a simpler solution would be to not let a country participate in the event at all if they are the aggressor in a war and/or committing atrocities
You suggest banning the US and all major Western countries from global sports?
Well yeah, why the fuck are they bombing fishermen and being pirates for oil in South America and starting an unending and losing war in Iran? If America wants to participate then they can host their own sports bullshit. Same for Russia and Israel.
Why would I exclude them from my anti war stance?
Unironically, yes.
Attacking Iran unprovoked is another war of expansion that should not be tolerated by the international community.
Oh, and for the attack on Venezuela, too. We’re running it as a client state now. Colonialist bullshit.
More than just the US participate in the attacks on Iran and the genocide in Gaza. You’d be banning most of Europe as well.
Good? Is this supposed to be a gotcha?
Not really just being realistic that it would never work with the current empire power structures.
Bro is just full of gotchas. I guess we should just let the white baddies in and only keep the brown baddies out of our sports 😂
It’s ok to commit atrocities if your country is “western” ig
I feel like a simpler solution would be to not let a country participate in the event at all if they are the aggressor in a war and/or committing atrocities
International sports would be impossible
Edit: actually a sports competition only between small island nations who mind their business has my full support
