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      You haven’t said anything to disprove, you’ve offered an idiotic opinion not a fact or anything you even claim to be a fact.

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        You haven’t said anything to disprove

        The deleted comment said that I’m lying. By definition it means the author thinks that I’ve said something that is not true, so it can be disproved (or at least one can provide an argument why it’s likely not to be true).

        you’ve offered an idiotic opinion

        Is there any reason that it is idiotic, other than not being aligned with western propaganda?

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          They’re implying you’re lying to yourself.

          You keep saying everything like you have a solution but won’t say what it is.

          It’s idiotic because no bully is going to stop bullying you because you stop fighting back especially when they want something you have.

          Your fixing platitudes and dipshit idealism aren’t helpful.

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            They’re implying you’re lying to yourself.

            About what?

            You keep saying everything like you have a solution but won’t say what it is.

            Already told you what the solution is.

            It’s idiotic because no bully is going to stop bullying you because you stop fighting back especially when they want something you have.

            The bully that bullies people in Ukraine is Zelensky though.

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              That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.

              Now, you’ve said peace talks. No one has stopped those and it’s no surprise fighting still has not stopped.

              You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians. If Russia is so altruistic when then do they not see these “desperate prisoners of war” and give them mercy by withdrawimg from Ukraine since as your source says they are there killing civilians… Children… For a fucking political stunt.

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                That cedeing to a country that openly plans to retake its former Soviet borders will somehow dispite all logic result in Russian withdrawal and lasting peace.

                If anything, the initial proposal was about Russia cedeing territory that it has captured (since 2022 invasion) to Ukraine, not the other way around.

                No one has stopped those

                No one has been doing any serious peace talks after the initial ones either.

                You sure it isn’t the people literally blowing up Ukrainians

                Those as well, but you have to deal with more immediate problem first.

                If Russia is so altruistic

                Where did I say that?

                they are there killing civilians…

                Ukraine does it as well.

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                  Point to where it says cedeing territory.

                  to yield or grant typically by treaty

                  Russia won’t involve themselves without certain base demands that are never going to happen and remember they are invaders in a sovereign nation they started a war with to pressure NATO and pressure Ukraine out of joining NATO.

                  More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

                  Your argument only works if they are at heart basically altruistic, otherwise simply stopping fighting back would simply result in a dramatic unopposed military defeat likely of the entire country so Ukraine could never join NATO. You know, that being their goal as per your sources.

                  Remind me, did Ukraine start the war? Would there be any civilian war casualties if there weren’t a war?

                  Again, childish short-sighted bullshit.

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                    Point to where it says cedeing territory.

                    to yield or grant typically by treaty

                    Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO, and Russia would have withdrawn to its prewar boundaries.

                    More immediate then dead kids, whatever would that be?

                    People being kidnapped on the streets and being sent to die.

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                It’s funny that you call me a fascist, despite me arguing against fascism :)

                Wikipedia:

                Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

                How many of those points are not true about current Ukrainian government?

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                  Those are true for almost every country at war, what nation did you “flee” to add we can go through it’s war time stance.

                  It was a democracy until Russia installed a puppet and then invaded, those things tend to change a country.

                  I apologize, you might not be a fascist but you certainly are a cowardly little turncoat. You “flee” from your country then deign to call others cowards of they won’t fight for what they believe in. I might remind you your cowardly ass can’t seem to fight for what it nonsensically believes in.

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                    Those are true for almost every country at war, what nation did you “flee” to add we can go through it’s war time stance.

                    Well, so you’re not denying that it’s fascist then. Nothing to argue about in that case :)