• Madison420@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Cede to Russian demands on a sovereign nation they have hostily invaded.

    Russia was “prepared to end the war if we agreed to,—as Finland once did,—neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.” He importantly adds that the NATO promise was the “key point” for Russia and that “Everything else was simply rhetoric and political ‘seasoning’.”

    Your source refutes your bullshit “Western pressure” argument, Russian pressure was to literally invade and try to use Ukrainian territory to leverage against Ukraine.

    Arakhamiya is the third well placed official to make the claim that Russia’s primary reason for invading Ukraine was to stop NATO expansion east to its borders and, particularly, Ukraine’s NATO aspirations.

    Your source essentially ignores that the war could have “stopped” before it started off Russia didn’t choose to invade a sovereign nation specifically to spite NATO. But no, you’re right I’m sure if they just stop fighting and roll over Russia certainly won’t invade again and pull the same shit again.

    Your idealism or stupidity is almost admirably idiotic.

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      Your source refutes your bullshit “Western pressure” argument, Russian pressure was to literally invade and try to use Ukrainian territory to leverage against Ukraine.

      Quote needed :)
      I’ve said that the west encouraged Zelensky to fight, and the part you’ve linked doesn’t refute it.

      if they just stop fighting

      “They” can fight all they want, till the last person standing if they want. They are forcing other people to fight for them though.

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                They" can fight all they want, till the last person standing if they want. They are forcing other people to fight for them though.

                Even your own sources say they aren’t being forced to fight, they get fined, imprisoned or renounce and seek asylum.

                Your solutions are that of an especially dumb child that thinks every flight ends like a goddamn pokemon battle. Ain’t no nurse joy out here boss, just dead children.

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                  Even your own sources say they aren’t being forced to fight, they get fined, imprisoned or renounce and seek asylum.

                  Oh right, because “fight or you will go to prison (where you possibly will be tortured)” is not being forced to fight… What kind of fucked up logic is that…

                  As for renouncing citizenship and seeking asylum - please send me an article that describes how an average Joe can do it. It’s not possible.

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                    Hold on now, your claim was that they’re getting grabbed off the street and forced to fight. You offered sources, none of which say in any way that people are being grabbed off the street and forced to fight.

                    https://www.unhcr.org/ua/en/refugees-asylum-seekers

                    There’s about a half dozen resources for it and aside from that your bullshit fleeing story only proves that leaving the country is possible. Russian appologism isn’t a good luck pimpin.