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Tankies, you can keep jumping servers because we blocked your old servers, and we’ll just keep blocking you. No one is interested in your brain damage
It’s pretty obvious a ton of them have .world alts now and just brigade from those.
Tag em in app whenever you see em, makes life easier.
Mines a lemm.ee alt thank you very much
Why do they run two lemmy instances?
Obfuscation. They know lemmygrad is too obviously tankie for most people, but lemmy.ml is not so obvious. The .ml is a dogwhistle that a lot of users won’t understand, so they can buy some measure of legitimacy that way. I guess they keep lemmygrad because they also want a place where they can go full mask-off.
If your theory is correct, then why would they also keep many of their users uninformed? Referring to Lemmy.ml, of course. You claim it’s for legitimacy, but doesn’t that cease to fulfill its purpose? Is the goal to make a generalist instance, but with slightly more MLs, but also divert the MLs to Lemmygrad?
I’m not sure your theory is correct, I think Lemmy.ml is just what it says it is: a generalist, FOSS and Privacy focused instance run by the devs, who are MLs.
If your theory is correct, then why would they also keep many of their users uninformed? Referring to Lemmy.ml, of course. You claim it’s for legitimacy, but doesn’t that cease to fulfill its purpose?
Because the users that don’t know what the instance is for are the ones that help lend legitimacy to it, because then people like you can believe that it’s just a general instance with no political undertones. You aren’t running cover for them, you are their cover.
Just think for a second about what you’re suggesting. They want to make an instance that is to lend legitimacy to a fringe political ideology, and they openly tell all of their users that that’s exactly what they’re doing? Then all anyone would need to do to destroy that legitimacy would be to publish whatever message the users receive explaining the true purpose of the instance. The cover only works if it’s deniable, and your idea would make it completely undeniable.
Is the goal to make a generalist instance, but with slightly more MLs, but also divert the MLs to Lemmygrad?
That is one of the goals, yes.
Sorry, I really think this is ridiculous. Is Lemmy.world a cover for Liberalism, because it’s run by liberals? Is db0 a cover for Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism, because db0 is a Libertarian Socialist? This is just red-scare style paranoia.
The very existance of Lemmygrad.ml should prove that there is an explicitly Marxist-Leninist space for MLs, and Lemmy.ml is a generalist instance for people who don’t care enough about that but want a server dedicated to FOSS and Privacy.
The whole reason this was posted is because of the users posting they got banned from ml for stating facts that tankies disagree with.
Such as?
Merely using the word Tankie has gotten me bigotry ruled recently. .ml is infected with Tankies regardless of what other people use it for.
Edit: Oooh, the Tankie Brigade are here
They’ll ban you for acknowledging the existence of the Uyghur genocide, for one
Edit: wording
Is Lemmy.world a cover for Liberalism, because it’s run by liberals? Is db0 a cover for Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism, because db0 is a Libertarian Socialist?
Liberals and libertarian socialists are usually pretty open about what they believe, so there’s no cover needed. They’re not covert ideologies like tankies have.
However neoliberalism is a fairly hated ideology. If the people who ran lemmy.world were literally the same people running a neoliberalism sub on that instance and they also ran thatcher.love or whatever, and they banned people for saying neoliberalism was trash, then yeah, it would be a reasonable inference that lemmy.world was some sort of entryist ploy.
It is the existence of lemmygrad combined with the behaviour of the people running lemmy.ml that makes the case to defederate. If that happens and you don’t like it, you could always migrate your account, unless you like it there, in which case you’re probably not the normie you first appeared to be.
Edit: changed “fringe” to “covert”.
Completely tangential, but imma be real with you: libsocs are fringe too.
Indeed, socialism of any sort is pretty fringe in most of the West.
That’s a fair point, although I would say socialism is becoming less fringe, and it seems like the various types of libsoc are the main forms of socialism because people have seen the failures of state based solutions, even amongst demsocs/socdems.
That said, I kind of agree and the word “fringe” didn’t sit quite right. On reflection a better word would be “covert”, since ideologies that explicitly want to dominate people tend to hide what they are, since they know it’s not acceptable to state their aims up front. That’s really the idea I was getting at.
Lemmy.world regularly bans Marxist-Leninists, it is a two-way street there.
Again, I truly don’t see how Lemmygrad taking the marxist-leninists means Lemmy.ml is a cover for Marxism-Leninism, it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.
Just for being marxist-leninists? Or because they were toxic assholes?
“it’s a non-political community focused on FOSS and Privacy.” -moderated and controlled at least somewhat by tankies who will delete your comment and possibly ban you for saying things about their flavour of communism that they dont like
When everyone dislikes your poorly thought out reactions and you respond to that disdain with calls for nuking entire hemispheres of the only planet we can live on, you kinda have to hide your identity/ideologies by way of obfuscation.
They seem proud and vocal in their echo chamber but these fools are weaker than a watery shit irl.
Bitch-made invertebrate shit-heels pretending to be tough with Molotov-sippy-cups.
Hi just migrated from Lemmy.ml. just wondering what a tankie actually is? I’ve heard it used a lot especially on Lemmy. My guess is some kind of pro CCP kind of communist but that’s my best guess
Edit: Nvm just googled it. Its pretty much what I wrote.
yeah you p much got it, (e: specifically they are v v chill with violence against innocents and authoritarianism to bring about their chosen regime. im already getting downvoted in this comment tho so yeah just go look at the wikipedia page 😭)
Does that mean most Americans are tankies when it comes to Israel’s ongoing genocide of Palestinians 🤔
**Clearly struck a cord with the bloodthirsty genocide supporters
Tankie is a term exclusively used for communists.
Oh yeah I forgot. Communism is bad, but mass killing brown Muslims is fine because they’re subhuman cannon fodder for furthering America’s Military Industrial Complex. Thanks for clearing that up.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re just a troll or actually this stupid.
American perspective: opposing genocide is stupid
I leave them unblocked, I like seeing the crazies sometimes
I block individuals. I think it can be good to expose myself to the eastern narrative a little since I’m only experiencing a western narrative. As well as eastern shitpost’s since I subscribe to 4chan
Most non-bots are from United States and know nothing about eastern narrative other than what russian and Chinese bots are feeding them.
I find your innocence thinking the western narrative is not managed by CIA bots and shills, a bit cute. Just look at any discourse regarding Israel and Palestine and see how braindead liberals become bloodthirsty af when they realize many in the world don’t share their worldview.
I think for many is shock and surprise is that anything even remotely “ml” is even allowed. Like something illegal is being allowed in plain sight.
To be fair, Communism is illegal in the US.
No, it’s not.
“Communist Party” and “Communism” are not equivalent concepts
Who makes that distinction? Plus, the idea of destroying the state, Capitalism, class divides, and money definitely is legally opposed.
Who makes that distinction?
… literally anyone who thinks about it? The US Communist Party is one party, there are plenty of other parties that identify as communist. You don’t have to be called “The Communist Party” to be communist.
New Afrikan Black Panther Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Communist parties aren’t popular at all, but they’re far from banned. There are multiple such parties.
Laws are interpreted and wielded by those in power. The Democrats are already called Communists, what happens if a genuine Socialist party takes some amount of power?
If you had actually read the Wikipedia article:
In 1973, a federal district court in Arizona decided that the act was unconstitutional, and Arizona could not keep the party off the ballot in the 1972 general election (Blawis v. Bolin). In 1961, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the act did not bar the party from participating in New York’s unemployment insurance system (Communist Party v. Catherwood).
So yes, the law passed during the the McCarthy era … and was afterwards declared unconstitutional.
The Communist Party USA is still around and even have a website.
Ah, fair, didn’t see that it got repealed. My original point was more to state that the legal system works against Communism, America is a thoroughly anti-Communist project both within and without.
You shills must have a special team just for moving the goalposts.
Someone better tell these people they all could be arrested at any moment!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
No but seriously it’s an unenforceable junk law that no one has bothered to take the time to repeal that was never even really used in the first place. I mean, the communist party runs candidates for office to this day. Someone finally tried to use it in 1972 to keep a communist candidate off the ballot and a federal district Court promptly ruled it unconstitutional.
https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/1zey0ee5l/arizona-district-court/blawis-v-bolin/
Ah, fair, didn’t see that it got repealed. My original point was more to state that the legal system works against Communism, America is a thoroughly anti-Communist project both within and without.
I’d say more broadly the legal and political system works against any organizations that threaten the status quo, but yes America’s attitudes toward communism have been pretty obvious throughout the twentieth century. I just took issue with the idea that political parties or idealogies are illegal in and of themselves in the US, constitution still manages to protects some things.
At least at face-value, sure. Communism itself is a threat to America.
There are people who think they’re at all different?
I’m pretty sure lemmygrad was explicitly created to be the mask off equivalent of .ml
There are users who don’t know why .ml was the domain that was used, only that it was the original instance so that’s what they chose to sign up with.
Why was it the domain that was used?
Lemmy.ml is still focused on FOSS and Privacy, Lemmygrad.ml is focused on Marxism-Leninism. As such, there are plenty of non-MLs on Lemmy.ml, including Anarchist communities, while this is banned on Lemmygrad.ml.
Very different instances, I wouldn’t call Lemmygrad.ml “mask off” Lemmy.ml.
Except lemmygrad users are realizing we all blocked their instance and are becoming more active in lemmy.ml to try and evade this, and so yeah, .ml is getting more and more like Lemmygrad
Can’t wait for this to become a systemic issue with Lemmy. Why does everything have to be ruined by tankies and conservatives? They know that nobody wants to talk to them, but they will evade and disrespect the rules just to make other people miserable.
What a sad hobby.
Why does everything have to be ruined by tankies and conservatives?
A lot of them are shills/bots. The Kremlin (maybe also the CCP, not sure) is supporting a bunch of political extremes, whether they agree with them or not.
Divide and conquer in a digital age.
Tbh, I’m not super worried, theres already been defederation with Hexbear and Lemmygrad. As they infect tanky safezones and cause more defederations because of it, non tankie specific federations are going to start becoming specifically anti Tankie in response. I mean, look at my comment calling them brain damaged, it hasnt been civility removed yet, which I feel is a good sign. So while they can always create new accounts on non Tankie federations, over time they are going to start having to hide their more violent revolution and dictator loving sides, which tbh, at that point I’ll tolerate their presence.
Edit: It’s kind of ironic how in a post where I called other people brain damaged, I wrote it like I was having a stroke. I’ve edited it to make it flow faaaaarrr better
This is the part I find hilarious. MLs think the reason people don’t like their outdated brand of communism is because they are brainwashed. The reality is that people don’t like their outdated brand of communism because tankies are insufferable, know-it-all autocrats who refuse to engage with any modern formulation of Marxist theory.
If MLs would be more academically engaged with contemporary political science, people would like their messaging much more. Of course then they’d probably realize that Lenin and Mao were just giant assholes, so I guess it’s a bit of a paradox.
I mean, their messaging IS shit, but I think one of the biggest flaws that cant be overcome even if they started acting less insufferably is that they are ok with and will defend tooth and nail any dictator that says they are communist. I do not for one second believe that Xi or Putin has ANY intention of furthering LGBTQ politics for instance. Tankies whole ideology isnt thought through and HEAVILY conflicting
They don’t want to engage because communism is just a facade for them to spread CCP and Kremlin propaganda. They’re not actually communists.
It’s not a hobby, they’re paid by the CCP/Kremlin.
No they do it for free. These aren’t paid assets they’re angsty disaffected teens.
Some are useful idiots, the core is paid shills. I’d be surprised if they’re not also starting to use LLMs.
If they don’t get talking points directly from a trollfarm, someone influential over there watches a lot of Russian propaganda.
On the other hand, they do love yelling at libs to stop supporting the Gaza genocide, so I like them until they also start bitching about fighting a fascist invasion.
Pick your goddamn lane
They want to amplify the atrocities Israel is committing in Gaza because it increases the probability Trump gets elected, which would be a huge win for the Kremlin.
I’d guess there’s backroom deal making with Iran as well given the political dynamics there.
Just realized that .ml is a domain hack for tankies. Go figure.
.ml is rapidly becoming the joke of the fediverse with how unapologetically they hand out bans for even mild wrong think.
Got any fun or good examples?
Other than just browsing the modlog (actually do it from .ml since they seem to selectively federate the logs these days) The asklemmy thread about fediverse trolls is pretty much a perfect example of the .ml mods/admins falling over themselves to ban any dissent as “incivility” while letting actual trolls get away with actual incivility.
I have an account on lemmygrad and when I created it, I was asked about my politics. They formally accepted every left ideology but when you say anything remotely anti-authoritarian, you get downvoted into oblivion
Mind boggling. Like seriously, I am as left wing as they come and for me that is defined by anti-authoritarian views. Fascists aren’t bad because they are the wrong kind of fascist.
to be fair, tankies are the fascist skinwalkers wearing the visage of the lefties they killed
Oh shit. I now I dont know if I like this, or “Leftist version of a Nazi Brony” more
I’ve recently come to the conclusion that they are the leftist version of Nazi Bronies, like, dude, you’re one of the first populations that your preferred rulers are going to purge.
Not doubting you, but what do you mean by “anti-authouritarian?” Presumably you’ve read Engels’ On Authority so you know what they are operating under the pretense of, I can see anti-Marxist takes getting removed or downvoted. It is Lemmygrad after all, not Lemmy EZLN or Lemmy Catalonia.
I didn’t mean to disagree with you. Just add that they are formally open to other leftist viewpoints but not effectively.
And yes, you will get alot of strawmans like Engels’ On Authority. If you want an analysis of the text, this video debunks it quite well
Are you an anti-Engels Marxist? I’m sorry, I think I actually agree with downvoting you, lol. That’s silly.
No, I’m not a Marxist. I agree with him in some points and agree with some libertarian Marxists but at the end, they say alot of stuff Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, … said long before
So… why are you surprised that you get downvoted for being an Anarchist in a Marxist-Leninist space?
