Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.
If we don’t embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.
They already took Doge
I love how butthurt they become when you call them fascist. They’re perfect fine invading spaces they don’t belong in, but the moment somebody labels them correctly, they lose their shit
Nazi punks FUCK OFF!
They already tried to take punk and punk said “no”.
You got one downvote. That asshole is either in the wrong discussion and doesn’t know their music or is a Nazi cock gobbler and needs to wipe the orange off their lips.
We just watched one do a nazi salute twice, on national TV, in the seat of government and not a single member of the “opposition” had the balls to walk up there and punch him in the face.
The Nazis have won. People care more about civility than fascism.
The fascists will lose. They always lose. They might seem to have the upper hand right now, but they can only fool the people for so long until they fight back.
I agere. Sadly they hurt a lot people untill they get stopped or destroy themselves.
Nazis are a bit like cockroaches. If you stomp a couple, the rest will run away and hide.
Unfortunately it takes too long for them to lose.
For as long as men die, liberty will never perish
People care more about civility than fascism.
It’s pathetic how true that feels.
Be ungovernable
Boy, you give up easily. They’ve “won” already?
Culturally at least, they have. Not a single Democrat did anything except whine about the very public displays of Nazism.
Luckily for us the courts and other countries are actually providing some checks and balances, but if we get a Reichstag-style event in the next two years, the Democrats will absolutely fall in line with whatever form the dictatorship decides to take.
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What the hell are you talking about Jesse?
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Tbh Black metal (awesome as it is) has a lot of ties to Nazi movements. Back when I was first getting into it I bought myself a Burzum shirt, because I only had a vague idea of Varg being somewhat of a controversial figure. I thought, how bad could this guy really be? Well… He is B A D. Despite a lot of this kind of music still being a guilty pleasure of mine I have ventured into anti Nazi bands such as Neckbeard Death camp, who are really vocal about kicking Nazis from the scene. That being said, traverse black metal paying heed to your step, for ignorance can end you up with neo Nazi band merch.
Man, fuck Varg. What an absolute waste of a human and an absolute stain.
Probably every single thing that you like is also liked by a few Nazis around the world.
There’s a significant difference between “Nazi’s like something I like as well” and “Nazi’s are involved in making this thing that I like”.
How many must be involved in making it? Lets say for a music genre? Probably we should be taking about percentage wise?
Pause a moment and consider what are trying to accomplish with this argument.
Black Metal is not a Nazi genre and I don’t think anyone was actually making that claim. However, white supremacism and Nazi sympathies are common enough in the genre that it has its own scene to the point where it could even be considered a subgenre. It’s even known as National Socialist Black Metal.
The line is definitely blurry when it comes to some bands being labeled as NSBM when the band itself appears to be or even asserts they are apolitical. This makes it difficult to confidently make statements like “this is a Nazi band” or “10% of Black Metal bands are Nazis.”
But that isn’t the point of this thread; the point was “Nazis are overrepresented in Black Metal, so listener beware because you might find yourself sporting a t-shirt that advocates whites supremacy and cruising around town blasting neo-Nazi anthems.”
This isn’t about how many Nazis it takes to make a Nazi music genre or if people from opposite ends of the political spectrum are allowed to enjoy the same music. It’s about being aware that musical tastes can be hijacked to get people to listen to, or even defend, ideas they wouldn’t normally.
Yes, I agree. But also it’s not a coordinated takeover. Sometimes there is a theme overlap, which attracts (in this case) nazis.
I’m not suggesting that as a whole “one Nazi makes something in the genre, and now the genre is ruined”.
However, if you’re not a Nazi, it would be prudent to establish whether or not the creator, (regardless of genre or medium) is also not a Nazi. Especially if that medium/genre has a reputation for attracting that type of crowd.
I understand. I thought that the original post is saying that nazis “steal” the genre as in - it’s theirs. I was explained that its about basically what you said.
Damn I love Lemmy, this would get OP banned on Reddit … just the truth.
Glad to have you here :)
It feels like old reddit
If you happen to want to express similar sentiments with comrades, use signal.
I have a Celtic knot tattoo on my forearm (actually it’s the album cover of King Crimson’s album Discipline).
My British friend told me I shouldn’t display that in public in the UK because people might think I’m a neonazi.
I’m like fuck no, Celtic symbols don’t belong to Nazis and I won’t let them have it! Also, it’s a prog album cover wtfYeah, prog rock’s not very popular so most people won’t recognize it as what it is, unfortunately… However, I wear band tshirts like 80% of the time and by far the best reactions were to my Rush Tshirt. Followed by Riverside and KGLW.
Anyway, fuck nazis !
Respect for having Discipline cover tattooed on your forearm
Thanks, it’s my only tattoo so far lol
Or Hawaiian shirts. Man, I love my Hawaiian shirts and I was not happy when they were briefly associated with some nonsense fucking Civil War 2.0 bullshit. I’m very glad that particular stylistic movement fell apart.
Boogaloo Boys were strange, they seemed to be a bunch of loosely affiliated extremists from every corner of the political spectrum (although concentrated in certain corners).
It seems like they were accelerationists.
They were a bunch of fucking nerds cosplaying fascist revolution. Dustbin of History.
Nazis are cultural parasites.
They’ve already taken some Metal. Went to a Metallica concert and there were trump flags in the parking lot, militia-style shirts, firearms shirts, blue line flag shirts, Punisher skull shirts…. I was surrounded by White Power and authoritarians. The Metal Heads I grew up with all decided they wanted to carry the batons and riot shields they hated in their youth. Didn’t help that FFDP was there with their military fetish and making commentary about the Biden administration.
Tbf these are the guys who killed Napster
One of many, but certainly one of the loudest and most monied voices.
Aren’t/Weren’t Pantera associated with white supremacism as well?
There’s probably loads more to be fair
Yeah there are some videos out there of Phil Anselmo screaming “White Power”
Kind of yes, although their music didn’t have anything to do it, and their “white supremacism” didn’t go much beyond “but can that n----- play the guitar?”, confederate flags, and Phil Anselmo’s “edgy humor”. Some of it was actually overplayed, because Dimebag didn’t play his guitar 100% aligned to perfect rythm, and djent kids didn’t like that. Metallica is more aware its own right wingedness in its music.
I can believe that.
I’ve a afroamerican mate here in Sweden, kinda mad lad.
He’s from NY. Once he told me at every gig he was the only black guy in the crowd (90s), Punk, metal, he always was alone.
Anyway it seems he had a good time, but I guess NY it’s diffent from many other places in the Us.
Depends on the band, I guess. Been to some punk stuff and it was really mixed. Metallica was the biggest metal show I’ve been to, there were different ethnicities in the crowd, but I would have felt kinda uncomfortable were I them. E: TBC I felt uncomfortable by what I saw.
Depends on the band and part of NY. People tend to forget that NY state is huge and has a lot of rural areas. I lived in the Hudson Valley for a long time and went to a ton of punk and metal shows in that area and can say that the crowds were 99% white. That being said, we didn’t give a fuck if you weren’t white; people in the pit only cared of you were an asshole who was out to hurt people.
Dude I went to an Incubus concert a couple years ago and there was a guy proudly wearing a “Let’s go Brandon!” shirt.
He might’ve been cheering on the singer though.
Didn’t help that FFDP was there with their military fetish and making commentary about the Biden administration.
I’m kinda disappointed how much I like some of their stuff, but I refuse to support them and their Wehraboo fanbase.
Metallica sucks anyway. If they’ve already taken it they can have it. Shitloads of good metal out there.
They already took flags in multiple countries.
It’s always iffy when you carry the flag of your country because the people who do that tend to be assholes. Let’s not let them get anything else.
And take the flags back too.
Yep. 100% true in Sweden. They’ve been doing it since the 90s.
Will forever hate them for trying to take Pepe the Frog.
feels bad man
I’m just relieved they didn’t succeed for long
norse mythology: the bisexual dude who has a meathead son and an adopted genderfluid kid. doesn’t go anywhere without his horse-grandson. knows everything will go wrong when they get a dog.
Plus they associate war with masculinity and magic with femininity, and their main guy is the god of both. Women fought and men learned magic. Clearly gender was a pretty flexibly concept. (Not to even mention that we found what appears to be trans masc viking burials.)
I didn’t know that about the trans-masc viking burials! I had been wondering which ancient cultures had explicit evidence of trans guys.
What buried site was that?
Birka grave Bj 581
For a second I feared Lemmy didn’t have the “Save comment” function yet.
There’s a specific breed of online Nazis who insist that it’s ‘punk’ to be Conservative.
Those idiots wouldn’t know punk even if it headbutted them in the face.
I say we put this to the test as often as possible.
fascists are even trying to steal the identity and word of conservatisim.
conservatives of 12-15 years ago are liberal by todays standards.
Man, feel like Norse iconography might be almost a lost cause here. I was looking into getting a Thor’s Hammer tattoo years ago… Every variation you can think of has been co-opted by a Nazi group somewhere. I think it was the FBI that used to keep a database of symbols linked to terrorist groups, most of it was various flavors of Nazis and most of that was symbols stolen from Norse culture.
Here’s a resource if anyone is looking https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search
I was looking into getting a Thor’s Hammer tattoo years ago
Couldn’t a “fuck Nazis” message somewhere clarify that?
I’ve got a huge Vlad Tepes Dracula tattoo for very personal reasons. Then I find out Nazis are using it as a symbol. Fuck their perfidious infiltration.
