So odd that this thing that happened 12 years ago is getting the rounds so effectively right now. All over reddit and of course all over Lemmy too. Really shows how easy it is for repost bots to control narratives.
We come here to escape this ragebaiting bullshit
The reasoning behind it:
“Lack of Proof for Severe Negligence: Under Dutch law (Artikel 6 Wegenverkeerswet), a heavy prison sentence for a fatal traffic accident requires proof of gross negligence or recklessness (schuld).”“No Evidence of Excessive Speed: Investigators could not legally prove that the driver was speeding excessively or that speed was the definitive cause of the vehicle losing control.”
“Lesser Offense Applied: The court convicted him under a lighter traffic article (Artikel 5) for failing to keep his vehicle under continuous control rather than aggravated manslaughter or fatal recklessness, which capped the legal punishment guidelines significantly.”
The original 120-hour sentence was itself overturned upon appeal in September 2015. The higher appeals court concluded that excessive speed was legally proven, sentencing the driver to 15 months in prison and a four-year driving ban.
In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving. A penalty points system was also implemented.
What a high quality comment. Whatever they’re paying you, it isn’t enough.
don’t worry. whatever he’s being paid for that service, I’ll double it!
Did the chair thrower get off as justified anger?
Sadly no info on the chair thrower.
Found it!
The father was not charged, prosecuted, or punished for throwing the chair. The Dutch Public Prosecution Service and the presiding judge officially chose not to press charges or seek legal penalties against him, explicitly citing extreme emotional duress and immense grief, stating that they completely understood his reaction given the profound trauma of losing his two-year-old daughter and his parents in the crash.
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2014/11/22/vader_die_stoel_naarrechtergooidenietvervolgd-1-2156081/
Good sleuthing
I got off
In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving.
why do they always use weasel words ? all the evidence you need is a dead person, you killed someone, ipso facto you weren’t paying attention ,automatic manslaughter charge. Murder would have a higher bar. eg
There are legitimate accidents, even if most are preventable. Humans are all too fallible.
I’m at work so can’t watch video but excessive enough speed should be all you need. In my state, +30mph constitutes a major accident as far as insurance premiums go.
Not quite that simple.
I’m one of the few drivers who always drives as if expecting the unexpected. I try to never even put myself in a situation where someone could jump out in front of my car and die (by slowing down when passing pedestrians for example).
But that being said, there is only so much I can do. Maybe some day one of you retards will get yourselves killed and use my vehicle to do it. I don’t want to be held accountable for your follies.
If you killed someone, this case should be investigated properly rather than shoved under the bed because it’s law.
So you think the 2 grandparents hid somewhere and then jumped with their bikes and their toddler grandchild in their arms in front of the speeding car?
I knew some muppet like you would try to twist my words this way :)
He didn’t say “in this case, it’s clear that…” he said “all the evidence you need is a dead person.” Pedestrians can never be at fault? BRB I’m gonna go jump in front of a car and set my family up for life
Pedestrians can never be at fault
I’d go as far as almost never.
Like if you can present dashcam footage that the pedestrian hid out of sight and jumped in front of you with no warning while you were not driving too fast for the conditions (which might or might not mean going significantly slower than the posted limit), then that should be taken in to account.
Outside of that? Yeah. Pedestrian being at fault should require incontrovertible proof that the pedestrian deliberately tricked you into being a part of their suicide attempt.
The person not in control of a two ton death machine should not be required to constantly watch out for murderous ecocidal narcissists. All the extra alertness and awareness needed to keep people safe from cars should be 100% on the drivers.
Watch him get a worse punishment, too. (Not saying what he did is okay.)
at his sentencing he could say “I’m sorry, I’ve learned my lesson. next time, instead of throwing a chair, I’ll run over the judge’s family instead, since that’ll only get me 120h of community service.”
(what he did was 100% ok)
Maybe judges should get some accountability for letting murderers get away with murder
If I were a judge, I would fear for my life to hand down a sentence like that for someone that killed that guys family. Do you want ants?
A couple of weeks ago a 19 year old got 8 months prison for killing a pregnant woman with his car. He was going 120 in a 50 km/h zone. The Dutch judicial system is way too lenient when it comes to sentencing man slaughter by car.
Necessary contempt of court is awesome and rarely heard of. Chair throw was justified.
If you want to get away with murder, do it with a car.
Looking at you Anne Sacoolas, a name that should be infamous throughout the Western world.
For those who don’t know, this piece of crap was driving on the wrong side of the road after leaving a US base in the UK and through her extremely negligent driving killed a teenager on a moped. Instead of answering for her crime, she fled like the spineless excuse for a human being she is back to the US on a diplomatic passport. Seeing as we’re basically America’s Belarus, she never got close to seeing the inside of a British prison and the US actively refused to send her back. If you work for US intelligence you are literally allowed to kill British people in cars with impunity, they’ll even come out and bat for you when you’re caught.
There may be no hell but I hope the rest of her days are as close to it as possible, but her actions reveal a callous moral vacuum of a person who no doubt only feels good about getting away with it. Shame on her name forever, shame on the US government for protecting her, and shame on the British government for folding like tissue paper instead of heeding its duty to seek justice for its citizens.
There may be no hell
Haha this is a top tier tshirt.
Found on /c/shirtsthatgohard@lemmy.world
They also didn’t go after Russia after they used weapons of mass destruction on British soil.
Rich people don’t care as long as it’s not their money being hurt.
Don’t even get me started, in another age the negligence with respect to Russia and its influence would be tantamount to treason. In my view Burnham must restore confidence by doing the Russia Report properly.
Also morbid fact, when I took my A-level in physics a question on the paper involved the murder of Litvinenko by the Russian government. If I remember correctly, the question was about the nature of alpha radiation and its property of being relatively benign outside the body but disasterous to inhale or ingest, plus some calculations on the dose the poor bastard was exposed to.
Murder has some pretty specific conditions to apply… Maybe consider reading less /c/fuckcars and more what a capital offense entails…
120 hrs of community service is insane for a “negligent killing” if that’s what you want to call it. Those kinds of rulings are reserved for billionaires.
The judge found that the prosecution didn’t prove he was recklessly speeding and had to convict him of a lesser offense, which came with a cap on the sentence she could give.
On appeal the court did find speeding was proven and he got 15 months jailtime + a 4 year driving ban.
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Not understanding that a pithy internet comment is not going to be words the same way a legal context would employ them as strict terminology is very stupid.
ai simp->ai/car simpVengeance!
Maybe you should spend more time on c/fuckcars and less being an ecocidal narcissist.
Good peopdont drive cars for personal transportation.
That community took a real fucking hard and quick turn from being a group of people with a decent message about the benefits of public transportation, to some fucking brain dead idiots accusing everyone else of being a criminal for driving a car.
It’s almost like communities built on hate reinforce your worst thoughts.
The worst thought common among humans right now is “there’s nothing wrong with driving”. You didn’t need a community to reinforce that. The bastards profiting off the destruction of the planet will make sure it gets reinforced in every piece of media you consume in your entire life.
When the wars over clean drinking water start, we need to send the people who wouldn’t buy a bus pass to the front lines first.
That’s the “worst common thought”? You’re a parody of an activist.
And you’re an ecocidal narcissist, so I consider your derision a badge of honor.
Translation: that comm took a real fucking hard turn from being. Some polite hippies I could easily ignore into being militants who keep pointing out how my selfish choices affect other people.
Good job proving my point. Get off the internet and touch grass, you could definitely use it.
Good job proving my point, too.
Please stay on the Internet. If you never go outside again you can’t trade my habitable biosphere or my safety for your minor convenience.
You’re right, I should just shoot my fucking daughter too since why bother trying to provide for her when some brainwashed goof on the Internet wants all the benefits of society without any of the underpinnings that drive it forward? Why not?
It’s actually, and this will surprise you incredibly, an absolute lack of empathy for people other than yourself that you lack. It’s that you think everyone is in the same situation and the solution for everyone is a train or a bus or just “better transit” But that’s not the case and it cannot be for everyone. People are being forced to live kilometers away from work, but sure they should sacrifice their lives, the families, their time, every part of the their life to “take transit” so some clown on the internet can “live in a walkable city”.
The other problem is you are literally online too much and brainwashed into this abusive circle of “car = bad” and spouting these big words without an ounce of actual understanding. So yes, please, touch grass and go talk to real people. There is value in what that community is trying to achieve, but what it has become isn’t going to achieve anything other than generate more hate.
Good people don’t insult random strangers on the internet.
The people helping destabilize the environment for their own selfish convenience aren’t random. They are pretty fucking strange though.
I would run her down in my car for the low low cost of 120 hours of community service
The easiest ways to get away with murder is to hit someone with your car or be a cop.
Don’t even have to be a cop. Just shoot an unarmed kid wearing a hoodie.
Right, the easiest way to get away with murder is to be white and have your victim be black. All the others are heavily contingent on skin colors too, but the next easiest one would be to be wealthy, followed by being a cop.
And I wonder why I have so much anxiety while driving while other fuckers seem to be totally cool being insane.
I’m terrified to drive a car.
Honestly, I want a car driven by (a smart) AI, with the vehicle itself designed to be heavily armored and without windows. Just cameras, each put in a spot to allow the car to see around corners, to have a high view of the roads in every direction, maybe some echolocation and infravision.
I don’t want to ever drive, because it makes me feel ill. Trying to figure out how to not cause some sort of disaster, is just not fun.
If it were possible, I would use a teleporter to skip driving outright.
I don’t understand why they keep making self driving cars with these cameras and shit
It should be like ants and on a grid. All cars should be aware of other cars. Basically the same as trains operate, how hard is that?
Then implement a massive amount of trolleys and trains to reduce cars on the road.
How fucking hard could that be? I feel like society is so fucking dumb sometimes.
Or sick a dog on them
I assume she won’t give him any punishment… If vehicular homicide is 120h community service, and the chair this guy threw didn’t even hit anything, I mean.
(Someone else in the comments section found this article not me)
She will give him 10 years for attempted murder on public official.
You’re probably right. I don’t think it’s a matter of a judge punishing him just like that. He will probably have a trial and some other judge with sentence him.
No, he’d only avoid getting punished if he hit her with a car.
Vehicular homicide turned out to be over one year in jail. Please read both links in the post, not only the first one.
And i can understand that father 100%.
If in that position I don’t think I would throw a chair at her , first I would go deal with the guy that killed my family and is out on the street…
If the judicial system can’t provide an adequate solution, eventually people will just solve things themselves. Which to some extent already happens, depending where you live
That’s exactly right… the quickest way to get a normal, law abiding citizen, to become a “terrorist” is to take his family and deny him justice
I’ve been in that sort of position. I’m continually struggling. Maybe it’s the adhd talking, but the absence of justice is truly aggravating.
It’s both. Both the ADHD and a normal, valid response.
Autism too. It physically pains me.
Or just run over the judge with your car. You’ll only get 120hrs of community service.
The killer is not out on the street, though. The next level of the court system corrected the sentence to more than one year of jailtime.
Cause they knew what happened to the last judge. They can learn.
That might be enough time for the father to cool down, but I wouldn’t count on it.
When the perp gets released, he better have his head on a swivel when crossing the road for a long time.
The plot of Law Abiding Citizen
Totally out of bounds. They should have hit the judge with a car, obviously
Probably would’ve gotten a lighter sentence
A friend of mine, Jessica Bullen was killed by a driver looking at the roof of their mouth in the rearview mirror when he plowed into her. The facts were not dispute. No jail time for the driver.
Old, Repost, Rage bait
Crikey, if I were that judge I’d be very cautious for the rest of my life for handing out such a sentence.
Can the parents/family appeal? Because if not then life isn’t worth much.
The driver got 15 months in jail and a 4 year driving ban in the end. Which is still pretty low, especially since the article said he didn’t show any sign of remorse.
Shit like this is why a TV series like Dexter could exist. Some people are walking around just fine with themselves after committing a heinous act. If it was an accident, fine, don’t hate yourself forever, forgive yourself eventually, but showing no signs of remorse is something only a trashfire of a person could do
I’m coming to the awareness perhaps it never was. And I’m not sure where that leadsbeyond, “What makes human life more valuable than plant and animal life (other than the fact we’re humans and kind of biased)?”
