“Lock her up” was his fucking campaign slogan at the time.
Another raving LEFTIST whose trying to DESTROY our glorious country with LIES and FALSEHOODS!!!
huge fucking /s
There’s a whole movie using the same rhythm ‘dont look up’ that, I assume, it was modeled after. I’m sure his narcissism is clutching for some control these days and it’s driving him mad.
Ugh. Here we go:
That didn't happen. <-- We are here And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did... You deserved it.That didn't happen. <-- We are here And if it did, it wasn't that bad. <-- We are here And if it was, that's not a big deal. <-- We are here And if it is, that's not my fault. <-- We are here And if it was, I didn't mean it. <-- We are here And if I did... You deserved it. <-- We are here
Physicist would love to study Trump as quantuum system
I mean…he can cycle through those stages as fast or as short as he wants. I’m more interested in a different cycle.
Trump prepares for an election one year away.
Trump is not a criminal.
Trump goes on trial.
Trump farts in his sleep.
Trump IS a criminal.
Trump is locked up.
Maybe someone in jail pokes him in the eyes, or kicks him in the balls.
THATS the series of events I’M here to see. And you know CNN would somehow get access to the video footage of trump in jail. Especially if something funny happens.
Trump is locked up.
Trump get epsteined.
The moronverse explode.
I sort of want to see Trump do a speed run through the steps.
Like could he do all 6 in one speech?
“Lies”. The word is “lies”, WaPo. Use it.
Yeah he’ll sue. So??
I’m seeing a trendy way of doing the headline:
“Trump claims he never said lock her up. He did. Several times.”
Or some variation.
"All the times Trump said “Lock her up”
“Trump said “Lock her up”, now claims he never did”
What I would like is for them to show him the evidence and then see what he says.
Lying requires intent to deceive. Honestly, at this point, I can’t be sure trump has any grip on reality so might actually believe that he never said it.
Falsely claims accurately depicts what happened without assuming intent. It’s a way to cover their butt.
I think there are actually 3 different cases:
- Knows what is true and chooses to say a falsehood. This is your normal person lying, which usually comes with subtle indications which can be spotted by the observant that they’re lying, such as them turning their eyes away when lying, because the person knowingly lying feels guilty.
- Couldn’t care less about what is true or false when talking to other people, so say whatever benefits them most to say. This is sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists such as Trump: for them talk is just a way to get others to do what’s best for them and truthfulness is irrelevant and unimportant, so they fell no guilt at all from lying since lying or telling the truth is all the same with possibly an intellectual consideration that there is no long term tisk of personal negative impact over the long run due to loss of trust when telling the truth so in that case they might refrain from telling a falsehood.
- People who have visions, see things that aren’t there or, more commonly, have a strong emotional binding to some tribe and have been told things, interpretations of things or conclusions by leaders of that tribe and refuse to even examine them mentally to determine their truthfulness. This is were you find the outright insane and the deeply religious, but also the members of political, national and even sports tribes. They genuinely believe that what they are saying is the truth, mostly because they didn’t checked those truths for consistency or for “does the source of this stand to gain if I believe it” (I.e. cui bono). This is were you find many of the medically insane, people who believe in populist politicians, deeply religious types and people who will believe in any old bollocks from the politicians from “their” side even when they’re not generally deemed populist politicians.
Anyway, my point being that the most of the lying on really important shit is coming from the 2nd group or the 3rd group, since normal people who truly know that what they would say would be a falsehood don’t like how it makes them feel so tend to refrain from doing it, whilst members of the 2nd group only consider truthfulness-vs-falsehoods in purely intellectual “what’s best for me to say” terms and those on the 3rd group actually believe what they’re saying (hence feel no guilt in saying it) because they’re unable or unwilling to examine, evaluate and judge for truthfulness statements coming from certain sources - they have no intent to deceive but they are none the less doing it because by purposefully refusing to evaluate and judge the truthfulness of certain things from certain sources they’ve first allowed themselves to be deceived, so when they parrot those things, in their mind they are telling the truth.
Lying, by definition, requires an intent to deceive. I agree with you that groups 2 and 3 are where most false statements come from, but they aren’t lying, by definition.
Well, I would say that not caring about telling the truth at all (group #2) can be considered sistematically lying - they do know they’re lying, they just don’t care at all about something they say being true or it being false. Their intent is to convince others no matter how and if that requires deceit, outright lying is an absolutelly normal and commonly used tool in the toolbox they use for it.
It’s not “intent to deceit” in a sort of per-lie way as a normal person would have - i.e. a child denying they got a cookie from the cookie jar by blaming the dog - but a far broader “intent to deceit” that’s not limited to that one lie - i.e. constantly spinning stories and manging the impression and images one projects, using outright lies just as easilly as using half-truths or selective information: the whole structure is deceit. This is mainly how they differ from normal people, who are not casual users of lying when they intent to deceive hence use lies in a more purposeful way (as they have to first convince themselves to lie).
The only real difference between the likes of Trump and most mainstream politicians (such as Biden) on this is that the threshold for using lies whilst doing their story spinning and image management is a lot lower for Trump (who just straightforward lies a lot), but those using sleazy language, selective information and other forms of inducing others to reach false conclusions still have an intent to deceive even if they avoid easilly spotted lies.
I do agree that those in the third group are indeed not lying, which is why I separated them from the other 2 groups. They’re not trying to deceive (hence why they react so badly when accuse of doing so) even though they are deceiving, though the “lying” in their case is done first to themselves by chosing to refrain from examinining certain things they are told.
I think the easiest to understand here are religious people: they trully believe the unproven and unprovable, mainly because they chose to not check any of it for believability - the ones amongst them who present something as as being “information” rather than “hearsay”, even though they purposefully chose not to evaluate it are they ones lying, not because they knowingly are telling untruths, but because they’re lying about the “informational” quality of what they’re saying. (So, for exampl, somebody saying “The Bible says: X” are not lying, but the ones saying “It’s X” are, not on the “X”, but on the use of “is” rather than telling us they got that “truth” of their from a religious book).
Hey guys, this one’s… borderline. The idea that Trump never said that is silly enough that I’m going to allow this post to stay, but its onion-y flavor is pretty weak.
This does sound like
piloramaonion.
That sounds like *checks* fake news.
I feel when a person says it it’s just a lie. People speaking isn’t news right?
Such a weird phrase.
This is a new tier of cognitive dissonance, even for Trump. I mean he literally got crowds chanting “lock her up!” Hopefully this is the icing on the cake of his felony convictions and gets a few more people to break out of the cult.
Dude, he lied about the weather and the size of the crowd on his inauguration day. He fundamentally doesn’t care about the truth. He doesn’t hate it or anything, it’s just that the truth isn’t important to him unless denying it would get him in immediate trouble.
I know he’s a liar. But lying about those things can’t resonate with his supporters the way this could. This was almost a core campaign slogan, it’s a downright meme. A denial that he supported it ought to be a much more obvious lie than the others
This also makes him look weak, since many still believe she belongs in jail, which is a cardinal sin in the GOP.
If only we had a word for an intentionally “false claim”… maybe we could call it something like “falclay”… or maybe just “lie”, for short.
Gen Z likes to invent slang. Let’s make this “lie” thing happen. What do you say, WaPo?
I can’t help but groan loudly every time I see the Orange Menace being quoted in these articles. The word vomit is so relentless it’s hard to stomach. *gauges eyes out*
I read your last sentence wrong at first, and I was very confused about how vomit, the word, was relentless.
Sigh, I think my brain just wants his word-vomit to go away. But I know it won’t, so I might gouge out my ears as I think that might work better than gauging anything.
They definitely need a hyphen in word-vomit
Aye! Why isn’t everyone doing that? Maybe I’m just behind the times. Editing first comment.
So it’s the dementia huh. How do his supporters feel about that? Or they suffering from it too?
Probably they’re fine with it and yes they’ve got it too, considering more and more people are getting it at younger ages than usual, which I would guess is mainly due to covid/long covid.
I’ve been thinking dementia for 8 years, but it just never seems progress.
His is, that’s pretty clear.
No, they are enjoing it.
I want to know why mainstream media keeps referencing what he said during his 2020 campaign. His 2016 campaign was way more insidious and is actually related to the election interference conviction.
This is referencing his 2016 campaign? And last two times he ran for president it lead to violence so it all matters a lot. Maybe I’m reading your post all wrong
Trump does little else but lie. If he said the sun comes up in the east I would have to verify.
Archive link: https://archive.is/DLKkX
Donald Trump did for sure.
I will never deny I said ‘lock him up’
