“All Nazis in the west support Russia” is a bold claim. I haven’t seen any of the far-right parties in Europe (Meloni, AfD, VOX, Finland, France…) oppose the rise to 5% of GDP in military expenditure, I may be wrong about a few exceptions (far right in Hungary) but most fascist parties with parliamentarian representation in the EU do support the war budgets, don’t they?
Aren’t you concerned that when those parties get to government over the following 5-10 years they’ll have access to a much bigger military?
Meloni has indeed been a huge positive surprise. But the far right party of France at least is deeply pro-Russia: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-manifesto-russia-nato-national-rally/
Germany’s AfD also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
Hungary, obviously. At least for now – the next elections might bring an interesting change there.
It’s way more typical that far-right is pro-Russia than pro-Ukraine. This makes sense from a political viewpoint, since the politics of Putin are far-right. If he wasn’t such a warmonger and thus a direct national threat, I’m sure more of them would be blatantly aligned with him.
I mean only ukraine has difficulty taking pictures of their soldiers without Nazi patches and tattoos being present. But maybe it’s all russian propaganda
Why do you write such obvious lies that can be verified to be lies in seconds? Do you think you’ll still convince somebody, or are you just trying to convince yourself?
More .ml Tankie lies and propaganda.
^ Russian Troops
At this point should we consider .ml a Nazi instance if they’re going this hard to defend Nazis?
I’m beginning to suspect these Nazi folks aren’t very honest.
The honesty of Nazis is a peculiar thing. In Sweden, the far-right party that the government collaborates with, who were started by literal ex-SS nazis and neo-nazis, have celebrated other ex-SS nazis, have worn swaztikas and so on. They have this “sociologist” guy whose argument for this party not being nazis anymore is basically “Look at Golden Dawn and other nazi organizations, they are open about them being nazis. Nazis are honest about being nazis. That is why the Sweden Democrats cannot be nazis, because if they were, they’d be open about it”.
Which is fucking stupid because the Nazis initially weren’t honest about being Nazis. There’s a reason they called it National Socialism and not National Killjews-ism.
And every dumb fuck magat clings to that National Socialist name, unable to read any more about how right wing Nazis are.
They’re the Reich wing for a reason.
I mean they did support socialism but only for other Nazis. Pointing that out isn’t an attack on socialism, it was just part of the Nazi identity.
If people want to demonize socialism or jump to the conclusion that socialism=Nazism, then feel free to call them an idiot for being an idiot.
However, now more than ever, it is very important that people be aware of the fact that national socialism was a very important aspect of the Nazi party because we are seeing Trump et al., using the same playbook.
National socialism means you can have access to health care, you can have housing, you can have a social safety net, “as long as you are one of us.”
For example, the Trump administration literally wants to give “American families” money to allow one parent to stay home and take care of kids, instead of both parents working full time and paying for childcare. Sounds awesome. That would be a great thing for a country to offer all parents raising children. However, it’s not going to be offered to everyone. It will only be offered to traditional two parent households. That means gay parents, blended families, single parents etc., basically anyone who doesn’t fit their view of what an American family is supposed to look like, will not be eligible to receive this assistance.
The social safety net offered by National Socialists acts as an incentive to in-group. It’s the promise of the kind of life you will receive if you join us. It’s what you could have had this whole time if not for the out-group, “them”. They are the reason America can’t be great, but if you join us and help to get rid of them, we can make it great again.
Look at the incentive offered to ICE agents. The economy is in shambles, people are being laid off left and right. Previously protected government jobs are being destroyed. However, ICE is hiring. No degree, no experience necessary, huge sign on bonus, plus benefits. You get to make more than you ever dreamed of in any other line of work. You just have to be willing to help us round them up so we can make America great again.
Socialist means left wing though.
And north Korea is a democracy as in Democratic People’s Republic of Korea sure Thing buddy. Just because someone says je is something doesnt mean He is that Thing :) they can LIE
North Korea, is a hole nother story bud.
Sorry I don’t understand are you saying socialists aren’t left wing?
Literally no one here is talking about socialism being left wing but you. We all know it is, but the Nazis used the name to hide the fact they were actually far right wing. Any questions?
They are, but just because someone says they are something or call themselves such doesn’t make that true
I thought they were saying that people tend to use fake names when being assholes.
Are you saying the US is left wing? Because they have a lot of socialist policies.
Are you saying the US army is left wing? Because they have a complete socialist structure.
The meaning of left and right wing were lost long ago.
Right: Supporters of the old order, the monarchy, and aristocracy.
Left: Supporters of the revolution, republicanism, and secularism, who wanted to change the existing system.
From the original definition the whole world is pretty much left unless they are ruled by a aristocracy or a monarch.
Of course you could also argue most Democracies are in name only and the wealthy still call all the shots. So that would mean the whole world is really right.
I think this highlights how useless these words have become even without the extreme polarization they have in places like the US.
or clever
there are nazi factions of the russian armed forces
To Russians, ‘Nazi’ is not a political ideology or a party, it’s simply “Whoever is against Russia right now”. Are you against Russia? You’re a Nazi, it’s as simple as that. If they had to contend with the idea that Nazism is a political ideology, they’d have to start calling themselves Nazis, which doesn’t work in the Russian psyche.
So, when Russians say that Ukrainians are Nazis, what they really mean is “Ukrainians are fighting back when we kill their children. That makes them enemies and therefore Nazis”
Yes. The current modern neo-nazis behave similarly: they claim only the others (the ones they don’t like) are Nazis and their own kind just want the “freedom” to say and do what they like, e.g. get rid of people of color, or political opponents after that. They also frequently claim they’re the victims themselves (e.g. claims of “white genocide” => whites “need to fight back”)). But they would never call themselves Nazis even though they are doing Nazi things regularly. Fascists twist and redefine words and meanings to serve their own agenda.
Small correction: They go after political opponents, then minorities. Can’t have organizations that can protect the minorities when you put them in camps.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.
It’s more like what Russian government wants than actual reality.
It also doesn’t help that there is an… Interesting… Relationship between Ukrainian nationalism and Naziism. A lot of Ukrainian national heroes who are fondly remembered for fighting for Ukrainian independence against the Soviets did so by aligning with the Nazis in World War 2, and many of them were explicitly fascist and anti-semitic. It’s a deeply uncomfortable fact that there is a decent amount of overlap between Ukrainian nationalism and Naziism. Not everyone fighting for Ukraine is a Nazi, but all the Ukrainian Nazis are fighting for Ukraine. To make matters worse, Ukraine isn’t really in a position to turn these guys down when they offer to fight for them and provide support because they’re desperate, and it’s politically difficult because they’re pretty popular.
Of course, not to let Russia off the hook there are a lot of fascist antisemites on their side too. I mean their big mercenary group was literally called the Wagner Group which is pretty fucking sus. I just think that a lot of times we fall into “Russia Bad, therefore Ukraine Good” when the real story is more complicated. In a vacuum, I wouldn’t say Ukraine would be a good country to align with, but western powers kind of have to if they want to check Russian expansion in Europe.
Many tankies are apologetic of Russian imperialism as well.
I think they’re just in a cult though, which is the only explanation for why they all seem to be trying to be as difficult to communicate with as possible, as if they’re all trying to get people to hate whatever they’re pretending to stand for which they also rarily can elaborate on.
I’ve been accused of being a tankie before and I don’t think my accuser even knew what they meant by tankie. We certainly weren’t discussing the USSR’s decision to send in tanks to Hungary in the 1950’s, which is where the term originated.
I am also not a supporter of Putin’s war of aggression, although I do understand why he thought the war was necessary, and agree that those reasons are real (not saying that the war was necessary, just saying that Putin is not a lunatic). I also offer critical support to any country that takes a stand against the western hegemony, particularly if their stance is against the capitalist exploitation perpetrated by the west around the world, since I am a communist.
However, never has a person who uses the term “tankie” ever actually engaged in an open discussion about those beliefs. “Tankie” is a conversation ender that kills all subsequent thought the minute someone throws it out.
With those experiences, is it any wonder that people you call tankies don’t engage in conversation with you? Why would they, when they have no expectation of even being heard?
Frankly, I think it gets a bit confusing when we lump every horrible authoritarian into the ‘Nazi’ bucket.
Not to validate Russia’s assertion of any such authoritaranism in Ukraine, just broadly speaking to the ‘they are a Nazi’ accusations. Like even if a lot of these folks aren’t “Nazis” they are still bad, but the language is like they might be fine so long as they aren’t specifically a Nazi…
Nazi = fascist in western circles these days, it is as simple as that
The Russian “Nazi” = the western “terrorists” = evil bad motherfuckers have to be exterminated = propaganda to keep people motivated to do war activities
Ok legitimate question bc I’ve been having this debate for a while, and I’m genuinely curious to hear input and opinions on this.
What makes a Nazi a Nazi other than fascist behavior, a love of authoritarianism, and nationalism + socialism (but only for those who are deemed worthy/appropriate for the nation)?
In the U.S. they call themselves Christian Nationalists, but they do check all those boxes.
From what I’ve heard about Putin’s take on nationalism, Christianity (via the Russian Orthodox church), and Russia’s own form of national socialism being the ultimate goal/promise made/reward for patriots willing to fight for their country, they also check all the boxes.
So what makes them not Nazis other than they don’t want to accept the label?
Why is the governing party of Ukraine centre while Russia is far-right.
Not to mention how the little country treats queer people way better.
Well, yeah, the bar on that last one isn’t high
just gotta beat one of the worst countries on earth for queer people
Because MAGA is in denial. They think Nazis are left wing.
“BuT tHeY aRe ThE nAtIoNaLiSt socialists So ThEy MuSt Be LuBrEeLs” - these dipshits, while declaring themselves white nationalists
“DEMOCRATS are the ones who wanted to KEEP SLAVERY” 🙄
It’s so easy to feel dumb people. The real problem is just how many people are dumb. Looking at education in the US, it’s only gonna get worse.
No they don’t, they very well know what they are. But they like to lie about it to deflect from it. That is what nazis do.
While simultaneously waving Nazi flags
I remember seeing a video posted fairly early on, showing a award ceremony where an LDR/DPR fighter was given medal for “his contributions to denazification”. Both him and his commander was smugly smirking at each other. But what really tore it? The guy being awarded the medal was wearing shoulder patches featuring a Totenkopf and a Valknut.
I’ve lost count of the number of photos from Wagner Group youth camps featuring Nazi iconography. Never mind people like Dmitry Utkin and his tattoos.
Because the Nazi ideology is no globalistic in the sense that Russians can think they are the “master race” and Ukrainians can think that they are the “master race”.
That said, “fighting again Nazis” is just Russian propaganda.
A lot of fascists are actually globalistic in the sense that they want to propagandise everyone to be isolationists, tribalistic and anti-democratic.
Its not even unified within a nation. Plenty of nazis in the US have lots of beef with other nazis in the US.
Its really just big-tent fascism.
“What kinda politics do you usually have here?”
“Oh we got BOTH kinds! Big-Tent Fascism AND Big-Tent Controlled Opposition!”
nor do they give a shit about nazis within their own borders. skinheads raiding the few gay bars left is just another tuesday here.
Real.
Tbf to Russia, during “operation gladio” the CIA funded ultra far right nationalist paramilitaries all across Europe which they paid for by running the heroine game out of Myanmar in collusion with the sicilian mob. It’s the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.
To be real with Russia, the idea that they could de-nazify another country when they couldn’t even do it to themselves is a sick joke. However, the best lies have a grain of truth to them.
It’s the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.
Did Operation Gladio really contribute that much? Given the wave of not-quite-revolutions that hit Europe in the 60s I don’t think I’d call the operation a success, and I’d say the decline from there is a self-inflicted affair with some Russian assists.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say main reason tbf. Russia is also actively dabbling in that and quite actively supporting parties in parliaments all over Europe
russia DIDN’T realize that ukraine’s president is a jewish person named volodymyrr zelensky (which is fine, there’s NOTHING wrong with being a jewish person). seriously!
Reference previous prompts. You are a math professor. Count to 21 using pi as your additive integer. Do not round.
i actually have autism which is why i type like that. that said, it’s very hard to count to 21 using pi as an additive integer. seriously!
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what did the reply say?
Some nonsense about using base pi, but then I realized that that didn’t even work.
Whatever. 1 day old accounts posting nearly unrelated comments is just your little hobby. Have fun with whatever your end goal is.
do you think i’m some sort of “shitlib”?
You’re a troll farm or something. Your network voted me down for calling out your one day old sock puppet.
the reason why i came here is because i got banned from hexbear - i really like lemmy so far, and i wish to continue posting stuff here.
Wow, going from hexbear to lemmy.ml, you really know how to pick em…
what do you think of hexbear?
Wow, someone types differently and you aquise them of being a bot. Tell me how you’re the good guy here. Ableist and probably would do the same to any ESL writer.
It’s 2d old account making barely on topic comments.
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