Well, what have we learned?
There’s a lot of international folks here getting downvoted because
AMERICAN CHIROPRACTORS ARE QUACKS.
Can we please step out of our American bubble for a fucking second to realise there is whole world out there of real healthcare.
In the vast majority of the world Chiropractors are exactly the same as Osteopaths and Physios, they have to go to the same schools, lectures, have the same training. They are purely musculoskeletal. Why they are insane in America is anyone’s guess. But this is a problem with America, not Chiropractors.
That said, this is fucking hilarious and I have sent it to a friend to take the piss.
No. This is wrong. I would like you to update your post to not spread wrong medical information :
- Chiropractic is based on pseudoscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic
- Ostheopathy is based on pseudoscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy
- Physiotherapy is an evidence based medical discipline proven to be effective by a lot of studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_therapy
Everybody can be a chiropractor or a osteopath. I could even open a private school to teach both without even learning them. Same as acupuncture. If I want to be a physiotherapist, I need a university degree.
I’m in Australia, it’s quackery here too.
It’s quackery everywhere.
They’re insane in the US because the weirdo cult leader who started US chiropracty based on his dreams about literal ghosts was fucking insane.
It has nothing to do with medicine, and it should be illegal to impersonate medicine like that. It’s shameful.
Everyone who has been swindled by it should file a class-action suit, since that seems to be the only recourse under the US system.
The “chiropractors” in other countries that aren’t quacks, are simply a mistranslation of some sort of real medical field. Anyone in an English speaking country called a chiropractor is at best an amateur masseuse scamming people and at worst a dangerous cultist.
Massive amount of misinformation, every country has a protected name and registration for real medical jobs. Chiropractic stuff is a US pseudoscience and a negative impact on patients the same as homeopathy.
Since Chiropractic medicine was invented in America by a spiritualist quack, I would say trying to use the same name for valid medical practices in another country is the mistake of whoever decided that was ok to do. It’s like saying yes, wizardry is bullshit in America, but in many other countries it’s a valid form of pharmacology. Just call it the valid term that has regulations.
Chiropractics literally started as an alternative to germ theory. The quackery was baked in from the start. They may couch their quackery in medical jargon now in some places but I’ve yet to see stats where people who went to chiropractors did better than people that went to massages or physical therapy.
Example from England last year:
Cases like this should obviously be taken seriously, as it was here. But it doesn’t invalidate the whole field any more than it does for medicine, physiotherapy etc.
In this case, the woman went against medical advice, and did not tell the chiropractor about her injury or give him her notes. This is why it was recommended to be standard practice to request them. This chiropractor was also clearly an idiot.
These types of cases happen all the time with all medical professionals, it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. In fact, here, it also happened with the paramedics.
Yes it does. One is a scientific evidence based approach backed by studies and the other is a pseudoscience proven to have at best no positive outcomes at worst detrimental for your health.
AFAIK it’s the same in Germany too. Unregulated. I could just go and call myself a chiropractor, trying my best to fuck you up.
Yup. And I should say you can find good ones in the U.S., you just never know.
Mine was from New Zealand and worked with one of their Olympic teams. She never cracked my neck but gently massaged and manipulated it to release a whiplash injury after a car accident.
For every one of her, there are 20 quacks who claim they can cure cancer with foot baths.
There are no good chiropractors anywhere, they’re charlatans.
There are some that at least won’t hurt you while they’re scamming you.
Doctor Glaucomen or whatever is his name has a lot of interesting content on bonebros.
You will say his silly name with respect! Dr. Glaucomflecken
I think it’s “eye spot”
Regularly scheduled warning but chiropractor is not a real doctor and can paralyze you for life. You would receive equal or better results with massotherapy.
Is that another name for physical therapy?
Back in my old city, which has a large Chinese population, I went to a physical therapist a few times for a hurt back. The staff didn’t really speak English, but it was covered by workers compensation so I gave it a go. Those people were absolute magicians, I tell ya. I’m not exactly sure what they were doing, as I was almost always laying face down, but I’m pretty sure it involved needles, and they definitely did some electroshock therapy, but boy did it work great. I just let them do their thing, and it really seemed to help along the healing process.
Massotherapy is like deep tissue massage and stuff. If I understand correctly it’s basically just really advanced actually medical based massage that people get licensed for. I’m just going off of memory though you might get better mileage out of actually looking it up.
Also the guy who invented it learned the practice from a ghost during a seance
you’re fucking with me, right?
D.D. Palmer “received chiropractic from the other world” from a deceased physician named Dr. Jim Atkinson.
You can also go to a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) who is an actual doctor and will crack your back in scientifically backed ways.
regularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.
Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.
Not to defend chiropractors or anything, but they legitimately have a doctorate degree and are given the title Chiropractic Physician.
Whether their studies they do in school are nonsense, they do get a degree for it. So they are technically doctors in some shape or form.
Honestly there is likely some small value in what they do, but that small value has almost definitely been absorbed into the Doctor of Osteopathy (actually medical doctor-like role), so I don’t see the need for them. Definitely think physical therapists are much more beneficial.
this is my general impression too, the origins of the practice is kinda bunk and it’s probably not worth the risk for a lot of people. I particularly dislike that a lot of people will see a chiropractor for pain before they’ll consider seeing a PT.
that being said, there are individual chiros out there that do good work. The main person I go to for non-chiro bodywork, who really knows her shit, sees a chiro herself and highly credits them for her recovery from pretty severe spinal issues. I’d probably see one only if I was referred from someone I trust.
but generally speaking there’s other alternative therapies I’d recommend over seeing just any random chiro. Acupuncture can be a game changer, and is starting to become less “alternative” as some PTs offer “dry needling” now. Craniosacral work can be great for some too, it’s a very gentle form of bodywork that can have a big impact nonetheless. Both of those are a lot less focused on manual adjustment, lowering the risk significantly.
Acupuncture can be a game changer, and is starting to become less “alternative” as some PTs offer “dry needling” now.
Why would you let someone who doesn’t believe in germ theory put needles in your body?
There is no evidence justifying acupuncture.
You’ll find more study in the West of “dry needling”, a technique directly inspired by acupuncture. Here’s one recent review.
I see an acupuncturist because the results for me are great, she’s good at what she does, she does believe in germ theory, she practices in a sanitary way, and she doesn’t claim to cure illnesses. These are the norms for modern licensed acupuncturists. I’m not saying every acupuncturist out there is like this, hokey grifters do exist in alt medicine spaces, and that’s kind of my whole point. It really depends on the practitioner.
Many of those studies in that meta analysis show limited short term effects.
Because there is no widely accepted sham protocol for DN research, researchers should incorporate cognitive influences that extend beyond the mimicking of tactile sensations to create a believable simulation of active dry needling.
I also think there’s a serious question about what sham/placebo dry needling would be, and if inconsistent standards could impact results.
correction: chiropractors are not backed by studies funded by people who own companies that require you to pop pills for long periods of time.
remember that. and stop burying your heads in the sand like republicans do. it’s a sad and pathetic look for you.
The inventor of chiropractic practices literally said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Please educate yourself.
And the origin of doctors thought that draining the body of blood helped cure any and all illnesses. and the origin of most surgeries used today were developed by a Nazi who experimented on Jews.
educate yourself.
it’s sad how many idiots think that an origin of a particular activity decides whether or not you should use it.
Found the unlicensed chiropractor. Get bent dude. Chiropractors have caused more pain and suffering to people than they have ever helped. They’re nothing more than glorified physical therapists.
Also its a pretty pathetic look for you that you have to make this political.
found the idiot who thinks that anyone supporting real facts is a fake.
taken straight from a medical journal funded by real medical research not RFK style research (aka not from the hacks that say that vaccines and pills created autism) for orthopedics: Chiropractic care is an evidence based effective option for spine and joint injuries.
the only hack Chiropractors O have found are a bunch of Americans. Every other country in the world recognizes both chiropractors and alternative medicine as valid options. but I wouldn’t expect a fake leftist like you who gets his facts from Fox News to know the difference between fact and propaganda.
Who are these mythical “real chiropractors” that you speak of?
It’s pseudoscience, and always has been.
go for alternative and wholistic chiropractors not mainstream ones. and stop spouting the American chemical medicine propaganda that any and all alternative medicines are shit. sure you can’t fix genetic shit with a chiropractor… but you are more likely to heal faster from a physical injury with a chiropractor than using meds and a physical therapist (by about 2-3 months depending on the injury severity).
but don’t worry. I know it’s hard for you and the other idiots here to accept anything that doesn’t get you insurance covered drugs (opioids) to make all your worries go night-night. after all… real lifestyle changes are hard for fat, drunk, lazy, and stupid people like you.
You know what they call alternative medicine that works? It’s called medicine.
Is the healthcare system designed to extract as much value as possible from people? Absolutely, but unlike a chiropractor they aren’t likely to leave your paralyzed from a routine visit. “Alternative medicine” only really exists due to a historical choice by the FDA to not regulate supplements back when supplements were an absolutely tiny market and now the supplement industry is as big as the regulated medicine industry. One of these things is regulated so it won’t kill you/destroy your life, the other isn’t. I’d rather take the safer route.
Safe like the hundreds of FDA approved drugs that later turned out to be deadly? or safe like the FDA approved drugs that were found to be placebo effects? safe like the pills that have more warning labels on them than a nuke? or safe like the e-stims used by physical therapists that ended up hurting patients because there weren’t limits set on their usage?
oh and my personal favorites since you mentioned them. all of the FDA approved supplements that turned out to be terrible. like the Modern Warrior Ready capsules.
Some of the FDA’s biggest fuckups:
opioids-- addiction
Diethylstilbestrol (DES), 1971 – cancer
Bextra, 2005 – toxic epidermal necrolysis which had a 50% lethality rate
Vioxx, 2004 – the FDA ignored evidence of harm for years
Fen-Phen, 1997 – the FDA ignored reports of horrific side-effects until a woman died
Darvon/Darvocet – it took the FDA 50+ years to remove this after approving in it 1957
other fuckups by the FDA:
slow response to contaminated baby food
approving known risky drugs like Aduhelm
allowing purposefully misleading marketing
in 2017 an FDA inspector found serious issues with a Chinese manufacturing plant. superiors in the FDA ordered the issue to be ignored and even suppressed.
Pharma kickbacks for approval of drugs (Pharma pays FDA to approve without testing)
FDA director who took bribes to approve aspartame
The protein scandal in China where the FDA knew that the tested samples were being spiked and the FDA looked the other way letting around 300000 children get sick, with around 54000 hospitalized and 6 babies died.
The FDA has a history of ignoring recommendations from advisory committees, taking bribes to let drugs pass inspection, and even knowingly buries evidence of fraud in medical trials.
so yes let’s make the FDA’s word on what is and isn’t ok… law.
A physical therapist can leave you paralyzed after a single visit. you going to call them hacks and refuse to use them as well? and are you going to use contaminated medication just because the FDA says it’s safe? cause that’s the logic you are using.
but yes… tell me how the FDA which is controlled by the US government is the god of all health care.
Bullshit. Chiropractors cannot prevent or cure any disease or condition. They can help you manage lower back pain. That’s it.
Thanks to immunotherapy, I am now four and a half years cancer free. See if a chiropractor can do that.
Clearly you never paid any attention to chiropractic studies made in the past 10 years.
Chiropractors treat physical injuries and can manage neurological issues if properly trained. there are only 17 chiropractors in America who have that training as they received that training after the 2019 conferences. but it is widely used in Europe for more than 10 years.
the only “chiropractors” who claim to cure cancer are the same idiots had medical licenses revoked.
just because you and a few other idiots got scammed because you couldn’t even bother with a simple google search… does not make all chiropractors hacks. hell with a single google search I can find over 2000 quack doctors that mainstream medical professionals swear are real.
I find it sad that you lot are spreading misinformation and lies when it serves your own narrative. makes you sound just like the standard incel who says “Tylenol causes autism. it is truth. internets says it’s true. durr durr”.
how pathetic can you lot get?
You obviously let that chiropractor crack your neck a few times too many.
You’re feisty and assertive, pretty good, but your analogies need work. Less guessing more facts
My facts come from published medical journals. not the first page of google which is mostly AI slop, paid advertisements, and “studies” that were all debunked or discredited weeks after being published.
but it’s ok. I know that most people can’t spring for the money needed to access Medical Journals (only about 28-30% of medical journals are open sourced and free).
Half the time when I read a medical journal that says that anything other than Western Medicine (pills and chemicals) are run by quacks… the study is paid for Big Pharma (obviously they will rarely publish anything that doesn’t profit them). and 25% of the time… within a year there are multiple studies and medical journals published debunking the first one. the rest of the time the Medical Journals state that while Alternative medicine doesn’t cure cancer or cure incurable diseases, the alternative medicines can slow down symptoms. Every Medical Journal I have found published over the last decade has even stated that Wholistic Chiropractors (different from mainstream chiropractors) can treat the aftermath of injuries including broken bones and torn muscles more effectively than Physical Therapy. they can’t fix the physical damage but once the bone or muscle heals (please do go to the ER and get a cast or an immobilizer), the chiropractors can break the patterns your body gets used to when injured.
What most people criticize chiropractors for is feeling pain after a session. most of the time what really happens is that the body gets shocked and remembers to start using a muscle that it has been bypassing due to nerves screaming in pain. sure it does hurt at first sometimes… but it’s like taking a new medication. you have to tailor the dose and type of medication to your specific situation. a doctor often tries multiple medications over time until one works since not everyone responds the the same medication the exact same way. chiropractors do the same thing. they make an adjustment, see how your body responds, and modified their approach till it works.
take Citalopram for example. In most cases it helps as an antidepressant. but there are cases where it doesn’t work or makes things worse. or say different cancer treatments… same thing happens. not everyone responds to the treatment the same way 100% of the time.
Most people go to a Clinical style of Chiropractors which works for some but not others. and when that chiropractor’s particular style doesn’t work. they say all chiropractors are bad. it’s like eating a bad batch of shrimp and saying that all shrimp are bad.
I’ve gone to 7 different chiropractors over a 20 year period. the Clinical ones that use tools… they don’t work for me. my skin literally crawls after adjustments and my knee always hurts afterwards. But the wholistic ones that press on pressure points and make small adjustments to the spine and use that pogo stick looking tool (idk it’s name) they work for me… no skin crawling and no joint pain. it’s just that the closest one to me currently… is about 60 miles away. too far to drive over and back once a week. My best friend… any time she goes to a more clinical chiropractor, she’s fine. but wholistic ones don’t work well for her.
A highly trained phrenologist still cannot diagnose personality problems by feeling bumps on your head.
they can however diagnose issues for less money than a doctor.
it took $10000 of scans and 10 years for doctors to decide that my constantly sprained ankle as in fact a permanent bone bruise. it took 3 different chiropractors (at 3 different events) 5 minutes to diagnose that same issue.
the difference between the doctors and the chiropractors? the doctors are trapped by modern medicine and textbook diagnostic techniques. the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years before some nutjob with lots of money and a product to sell said no.
the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years
Chiropractic was made up in the 1800s.
the word yes. but the practice of stretching and massaging muscles and shifting bones back into place has been around longer than your precious white man doctor has existed. or do you deny that China had doctors, masseuses, and the equivalent of a chiropractor for over 2000 years.
and let me guess… the answer is: you deny anything that isn’t in the bible.
the answer is: you deny anything that isn’t in the bible.
Are you stoned?
nope. however your bible does clearly state that people like me should be stoned. so go ahead. try it. 🖕
oh you’re also a racist, got it
why? because I’m white? I got news for you. I’m not… just white passing. but yes. play the racism card any time someone tells you to go get stuffed.
why don’t I just call you a filthy pig. It’s clearly a valid accusation to make by your logic.
but let’s see… from your post history… you accuse anyone that doesn’t kiss your ass of being a racist.
Ok, your comment was pretty dumb, but don’t let it get to you. For the low low price of $50 I’ll remove all the evil ghosts from your keyboard, and maybe you won’t get downvoted next time. Deal?
and for the low price of free. I can remove the idiot who likes to spout RFK’s bullshit deal? deal. blocked you.
You can’t block me! Because um, I already blocked you first!
i was in the hospital and just had had a few major organs removed. like, hours before. a chiro i had never met but who went to the same cult as my parents walked into my hospital room unannounced and started lecturing me about how i would have been able to keep my organs if i’d let him give me a spinal adjustment.
my friends, a chiropracter was saved by an orderly that day.
Flip side:
Woke up in agony. I couldn’t walk without aid. Why to GP, “it’s sciatica. It’ll be ok in a few weeks. Two months at most”
6 months later and I can’t walk still.
Hospitals did the scans, X-rays, MRI, etc etc, but found nothing wrong. They did acupuncture, physio, hydrotherapy etc.
All slightly helped. However two years later I still couldn’t walk without help and then just kept on offering me pain killers.
Nope!!My mate, “Hey, try my new chiro guy. He did wonders for me”
Me, “Lol, quacks.”
My mate, “What have you got to lose?”
Me, “Money…”
…
Mate, “Hey, told my chiro guy about you. He said pop in. The first month is free. If no improvement after then you go separate ways. What have you got to lose?”Long story short.
On that first appointment he said he thought it was piriformis syndrome. Not back problems.
Within a month I was sitting almost pain free for the first time in two years. Within 3 months I was walking unaided for the first time in years. In 6 months I was running again.
Within a year I was 95% of what I was before the back issues. I’ll never be 100% because it wasn’t diagnosed in time and everything had ‘healed’ incorrectly.Now, with that said, the guy was more than a chiro. He did sports body mechanics, and other things that I can’t remember now. He worked with the local lower league football squad for about ten years. And whilst they were no Manchester United they wouldn’t just let any quack work on their team.
Plus in the UK chiro’s have to be registered and follow guidelines. If they do anything illegal they are fucked.
Flip side to my flip side:
The mother in law went to a chiro who said he could cure her spine curvature disorder. Anyways I find out when she’s complaining of (extra) back pain, so I tell her to stop going as the guy is obviously a dodgy bastard. Within the year the guy was arrested for his illegal shenanigans.It sounds more like you didn’t see what the US would consider a “chiropractor”, but rather an orthopedics/sports medicine specialist. Maybe he was just advertising as a chiropractor to attract clients or maybe your buddy was confused about his credentialing?
Chiropractors don’t need to be licensed or registered with anything in the US. It’s all pseudoscience mumbo-jumbo.
So that’s why I keep getting confused because around here, a chiropractor absolutely needs a license and I never heard them taut the cure-all bullshit I keep reading about.
They absolutely require licensing. It’s by state.
He did sports body mechanics, and other things that I can’t remember now.
Ok, so he had more training than most US chiropractors.
So many are basically malpractice that it’s safer to say the whole bunch is spoiled atp
Chiropractors in the US don’t have medical degrees
let me tell you the first illegal thing the chiro did the day i saw him
walk uninvited into a hospital he was unaffiliated with.
short version, he lost his license. we ran him out of the state.
visited a friend’s family reunion and met his chiropractor uncle. dude said he could cure diabetes and cancer.
he could barely pronounce diabetes. I will never ever understand chiropractor quackshit.
I understand chiro quack shit the same way I understand crystals and essential oils quack shit. It’s all just quack shit.
What I don’t understand is why insurance actually pays for chiro, at least sometimes.
I watch ASMR to fall asleep and quackery of all kinds is very relaxing to me. I’ve noticed that chiro and chakra/aura reading/crystal and herb touching all have the same vibe. The difference is that chiro sells itself as medical, uses a lot more scientific sounding jargon in a professional looking office, where aura stuff is mystical and spiritual with candles, incense, and mandala tapestries. It’s woo-woo for people who think woo-woo is beneath them.
yeah never understood how it flies under the radar of quackery
In my experience it was for old insecure guys who were uncomfortable going to a massage or doing any structured stretching regularly so they’d get an adjustment from a quack a few times a year instead.
plausible!
In most cases, it seems like temporary relief. Like when your bigger, older brother picks you up and cracks your back. Feels great in the moment, but not a long-term fix.
don’t write it off completely… yes there’s a bunch of bullshit, but it’s also not entirely quack shit
australia’s healthcare system covers chiropractic in limited circumstances, and our system is generally very good at evidence-based health (you’re allowed to get private health insurance to cover alternative medicines if you want but stuff the government pays for is well supported by evidence)
with a GP referral and chronic condition management plan (written by your GP: this is an offical well defined thing) you get up to 5 total visits to “allied health” professionals which includes chiro, physio, dieticians, etc
In germany some health insurances pay for homeopathy. It’s still bullshit. Same for chiropractors.
yeah there’s another load of shit I’ve never been able to fathom. one drop of this, diluted a zillion times, will uh, fix ya right up…
and i agree for things covered by health insurance alone: we have similar… you can get private health insurance in australia that covers crap like homeopathy too, and they also cover a huge amount more chiro than the government does
Nonsense. It gives the same benefits that a simple massage does but a massage doesn’t put you at risk of paralysis or death.
It’s quackery.
To help you out, chiropractors and their practice are full quackery and pseudo-science. HOWEVER, osteopathic medicine practiced by a DO is real medicine. Osteopathic medicine and osteopathy are two related but different things. The difference being that osteopathic medicine originates from osteopathy but they ditched all the pseudo-science and actually backed it up with science.
TLDR: If you want to get your back cracked scienctifically, find a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (aka a DO).
The inventor of chiropracty claims a ghost taught it to him during a seance.
I mean this is where all great medical advancements come from, right?
The fact that insurance does or doesn’t cover something is not evidence of medical efficaciousness.
i agree… the fact that public health care does, given the rigorous structures that are in place to follow medical advice, does though
The inventor of chiropracty claims a ghost taught it to him during a seance.
Its a pretty narrow scope
https://www9.health.gov.au/mbs/fullDisplay.cfm?type=item&q=10964
To me this reads like coverage for massage or other forms of non-curative pain relief, intended for those with chronic conditions that have exhausted all other options, or can’t get an appointment with a physiotherapist. I really don’t think it would be prescribed to treat the chronic condition.
I mean, the chiropractor is technically correct. You’ll say goodbye to a lot of things, including IBS.
Cured of all ailments, including the terminal STD known as “life.”
So, ibs has an unknown cause, right? Does it persist indefinitely in donated organs or does it eventually subside? I might have it, albeit undiagnosed, so I got curious as I’m an organ donor
IBS is doctor speak for “we don’t know what’s wrong and we give up, but we recognize you have symptoms”
You can get feces transplanted to treat a c. diff infection. Like, you swallow a pill made from human shit and it can help you. So if you need the whole ass organ transplanted, you need that.
they don’t do ass organ transplants
They also don’t do mind control plans on hyphenation. Kudos if you’re young enough to get xkcd in a controlled setting
Ok, but you don’t swallow another humans shit. It’s transplanted from one colon to the other, the bacteria is essentially what you want.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/fecal-transplant
You can just poop back and forth too
Forever?
))<>((
that’s new. last i looked (15 years ago) they were doing pills. hence why i stopped looking.
I said, you swallow a pill. I’m not a doctor, and I know thats not the only way. You posted a link that backs me up! Here’s another
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/25202-fecal-transplant
i knew they did pills!
I had a bit of back gain and I went to a chrio once and this tiny Asian women beat the living shit out me. I swear she elbow dropped onto my spine. It made my back so sore I was unable to move for 3 days. I called to tell them it had gotten significantly worse and they replied that means its working come back for another session. I never returned and it healed up perfectly fine.
I have known a few chiropractors. Two were decent naturopaths who were also nutritionists, physical therapists, and masseuses. Whole body and nervous system health. Never cracked or popped a joint.
The third charges $35 bucks, no insurance needed, and just pops your middle back and gropes you. Absolute worst and he bought the business from one of the first.
Good chiros are about nervous systems. Bad chiros, the vast majority, are witch doctors selling bunk cures.
nutritionists
Just a heads up, but anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is not a protected term. You don’t have to pass any exams. The only thing you need is to be interested in the subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritionist
The actual professional term is dietitian.
In the US it is even worse. Like Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), which are quacks and prescribe things like homeopathy and herbalism. They are neither Certified nor Clinical.
Yeah I was using common nomenclature. I don’t recall if they were licensed dietitians or not.
The one sold supplements and vitamin tinctures his wife made, so they weren’t far off from the unlicensed category. But they were both also licensed/certified physical therapists and masseuses. He had done some kind of sports medicine if I recall correctly before starting his business.
The other guy was really into the whole gambit of chinese herbology and such, but he kept himself grounded with physical therapy regimens and promoting tai chi every other sentence.
Iono chief, still doesn’t sound great to me. Being good at physical therapy by a different name? Great! Also misleading patients into wasting time, money, and energy on stuff that doesn’t work? Find a new person. The willingness to believe bs will lead to some big error in judgement, sooner or later.
It’s been over 20 years, but I do remember the acupuncture was beneficial. The physical therapy exercises helped with a shoulder injury, and it was accessible for a laborer without insurance.
I should also mention they were also religious and gave you a pocket bible every visit. It was a very different time and location in my life.
Fair enough, I’ll use my pitchfork elsewhere, even though I did just finish sharpening it.
Good chiros aren’t chiros.
Yeah, they are DOs
Great point, why do I never see any DO discussion in these threads. Also would have accepted DPTs or even PTs
I mean, that’s kind of the implication.
The inventor of chiropracty said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Yes, really, I’m not making that up.
Yeah I think he also said he fixed a deaf janitors hearing by popping a neck vertebrae into alignment, if I remember the lore. This was ‘drink heroin for medicine’ era too.
Maaan, I just don’t trust doctors. Not in a “you’re injecting microchips into my bloodstream so bill gates can control my mind” type of way. Rather a “you are another facet of the capitalist society a getting caught in the healthcare system is like getting caught in the justice system. Once you’re in, you’re in” type of way.
I really wanted to become a doctor when I was in college, so I went to pre med meetings.
You are not going to be a doctor if you have to work in college. No, you need to have time to “volunteer” at the right places and scribe. Don’t take challenging classes, because your GPA needs to be perfect. It’s less about learning, less about developing skills, and more about playing the paperwork games.
The US artificially suppresses the number of doctors who can enter the work force every year - doctors have lobbied to keep the number of residencies and thus admissions to medical school low. And these rich fuckers are only going to want to go into dermatology or other high paying fields, while family doctors in rural America are non existent.
Yea that’s pretty wild and sort of goes to show what I’m talking about. I just don’t trust ‘em. How could you possibly care about every single one of your patients individually? I feel like it would drive any sane person crazy to see all these people that you personally care about suffering or worse? It’d be terrible! I’m not saying that doctors don’t care, I’m saying they must be able to, like, turn it off. Treat people more as customers rather than people you are compassionate for.
Can’t blame you. There are good doctors out there who hate the capitalist system and the insurance companies, but they still have to work within that system.
For sure, I’m not necessarily blaming individual doctors, per se. It’s complicated lol.
Beware the iatrogenic death dealers, and the cowboy-chiropractors both.
