Yep still a long way down. Enjoy the ride!
It’d be nice to see tsla valued properly. I’d also like to see a European competitor to starlink.
Tanking starlink is a bit of a head scratcher. Cutting off access with that timing seems really boneheaded and short sighted. It had a real chance to be a super surveillance internet 2.0 with constant expensive upkeep.
It’d be nice to see tsla valued properly.
Yes, I would like them to go out of business too. It would also be great to destroy the regulatory capture that blocks much better cars from USA.
Tesla drivers I see fall into 3 categories:
- 2017 or older: fair enough, and credit for moving to EVs so early!
- 2018-2023: er, Elon seems like kind of a twat. Are you sure? The whole Thai cave thing? But, you know, some benefit of the doubt.
- 2024+: You are supporting a literal Nazi.
Just wait until the the tesla model 2 hits the market. You will see a wave of Nazi supporters lining up at his door.
I am pissed off that Tesla still make the best electric cars. I want to change over but nothing compares. (In EU)
So I will keep my own car going for a few more years.
Kia, Hyundai, Volvo, Polestar, Porsche all have EVs that match or even beat Tesla’s offering outside of Full Self Driving and sentry mode. I recently saw a youtube video of a Chinese EV that navigated Amsterdam on it’s own. https://youtu.be/egs_P0bO2AE So yeah Tesla won’t have the monopoly on full self driving for long.
Renault has better EVs in every aspect.
not even renault says that
That is not quite true though. While they indeed still make (2) good car models there are alternatives on the market that can rival them (eg Kia EV4 or Renault Scenic E-tech 89kWh) and those alternatives can do so while actually having real buttons, that you don’t have to take off the eyes from the road just because you want to adjust the A/C or whatever. If you really wanted to leave Tesla, you could. That said, I don’t see the point in selling a perfectly good car in working condition for such reasons. What difference does it make if someone else is driving it and if no one is driving it it is a waste of resources.
The lack of real buttons is hardly the problem with those vehicles. Maybe for some/many people but I find that argument excessively nit-picky. You can adjust temperature perfectly fine in a Tesla without looking. Not that I normally need to touch it at all.
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When’s the last time you looked? Hyundai Ioniq 5 / 6, BMW i4, Xpeng G6 for example come to mind. Bonus: they’re on an 800V platform so loading from 10% - 80% is like 14 minutes compared to ~25 minutes for a model 3
Zeekr 7X also
Also, the Renault Scenic E-tech 89 kWh has a comparable range for example, so does the Kia EV4. Prices are comparable too.
Citation needed. What makes it the best EV for you? I know several models I’d prefer over model y or 3.
Which ones? I’d love alternatives!
You didn’t specify the model we should compare. But model y is beaten by multiple German and Chinese models like cla, glb, ix3, xpeng g6 and smart #5 just to name a few.
To add what I mean with beat is faster charging, HUD, better drive train etc.
So what? Most people aren’t driving a Ferrari either. Just get a normal car instead.
I have a normal car. But what if I want electric? What should I get?
Have you never before bought a car? Go to three car dealers and look at what they offer. Take one that fits your needs.
Where in the world are you, what sort of car size/shape are you looking for? How often do you drive more than 200km a day?
Chinese manufactures are making cars that literally jump over potholes… And I think they’re in production.
Whereas, Elon demos something that will never go to production, is totally useless, and is basically a falling car…
Tesla are so far behind at this point. I bet even the cheap chinese cars don’t leak in their boot
Bose made a suspension that could nullify potholes and jump over small obstacles over 20 years ago.
Yeah, Active Suspension. Unfortunately, never went to production though, apparently because of complexity I think.
The BYD is in production though
China is living in the future, and the best that Elon can do is a shitty demo that would blow you up in a car crash, and which will never be feasible to produce.
Guess which one got attention though?
I have a BYD Dolphin and it is so much better and I can order parts unlike a tesla lol
I quite appreciate the visceral dislike that people have for Tesla. Given that we see their products directly in our everyday lives, I certainly don’t blame people for reacting this way, and I’m happy to encourage this sort of scrutiny, especially over the longer term. I sometimes think, though, that the zeitgeist is missing some of the deeper damage that Musk’s enterprises are inflicting. I don’t think there’s nearly enough journalism about the ongoing effects of DOGE cuts, for example.
And then there’s SpaceX. In all the anger over the throttling of Starlink (“Starshield”) for the defenders in Ukraine, I haven’t seen a single note of awareness about Starlink and LEO satellite megaconstellations being inherently harmful (regardless of who launches them). Aside from the increased orbital collision risk, the atmospheric pollution, and the blinding of astronomical facilities (including asteroid defense), there’s the threat to the ozone layer from all that reentering aluminum. All of which will only increase as lunatics continue to use near-orbital space as their dumping ground.
It’s a powerful metaphor for our time. When it comes to Tesla, I think there’s a good company in there, somewhere. And SpaceX absolutely employs some of the best aerospace talent on the planet, capable of advancing legitimate science and exploration in space. And yet, so many brilliant folk are caught up employing their skills in juvenile displays like flying car stunts and planet-encircling rings of disposable satellites.
I haven’t seen a single note of awareness about Starlink and LEO satellite megaconstellations being inherently harmful
I’ve seen many notes of awareness about this. Ofc capitalist media won’t cover it, but maybe you’re not looking in the right places.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/65969131
SpaceX absolutely employs some of the best aerospace talent on the planet, capable of advancing legitimate science and exploration in space.
Now do lockheed-martin.
We are so upset about specific evil things that Musk or his companies do that we miss to be upset about all their other failings. Well said. His whole empire should collapse, and if that means that “we” can only launch 100x per year instead if 1000 times, that’s a price we can very well pay.
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Go pay your taxes instead, dipshit.
Then those people would not be struggling with bills in the first place.
Crazy to think how many lives could be saved from hunger by even a fraction of the money that it took to develop this Little Dick Energy stunt show.
Stock market is always weird to think about.
Just a fraction of the rich peoples’ gambling money can make imaginary industries with no profit like chatbots stay alive.
Their combined wealth is at levels of a post-scarcity society and they keep using it in dumb ways.
When there are no consequences people do some fucking bonkers things
Richwhitemen have always been shielded from consequences, unfortunately.
Demo had to be AI slop. Complete BS.
go to bed grandpa, you can’t tell reality from AI anymore.
Eh, it could’ve been but on the other hand, the design is plausible. Stupid, but plausible.
Basically a space craft lander themed as a car.
Note that even by Tesla standards, they said no one could even ask for that car and that car would never be street legal. They did send have waving around whether the limited mid tier car would be street legal by saying it was contingent on your local regulations for thrusters on cars, which is a long way to say it wont be street legal either.
Even though they say the lowest end will be street legal, that active down force system says otherwise.
But a promised production date in 2 years in Tesla time means we went be seeing it for a long time, if ever.
Youre telling me that cancelling 2 of its models and introducing this model, which is priced around s $200,000 and will probably never see the road as is because of safety reasons, will make the company stock go down?
Who can afford a 200k car?
It’s not about shitty, unsafe nor overpriced cars. It’s about musk being one of biggest nazi holocaust continuation contributor.
they cancelled something? idk I don’t use xitter
They don’t make the model s or the model x anymore
Weren’t the 3 and Y marketed as more budget options? I guess the nazi wants everyone who doesn’t want to “feel broke” to buy the low-poly car instead, even if it ruins the S3X and S3XY puns.
It was an impressive tech demo. You know that every idiot who saw this thinks to himself how awesome he would look, jumping over the car in front of him. The ultimate road rage power fantasy.
Love the meme.
It’s kinda funny how child-like Elon is. That’s a fantasy literally everyone stuck in traffic has had. He is good at grabbing people’s attention with stunts like this (or maybe someone he surrounds himself with and just takes the credit for). I don’t think it’s enough anymore ever since the DOGE stuff. I personally would never willingly spend a single penny that I thought would end up in his pocket.
He knows his audience. He sold the cyberfuck as zombie Apokalypse truck that can just dtive over normal cars.
which, to be clear, it absolutely can’t do because of its cast aluminum and overall undersized component design
He famously failed to sell the cybertruck.
I dunno I see a fair amount of them driving around.
Those are likey the ones bought at launch. They are distinctive enough that they stand out among other cars, but I bet you see way more Honda civics just kinda blending in
He sold enough to dickless losers
I genuinely don’t even know who that demonstration was for other than 12-year-olds. None of these cars have any practical or road applications. Where are you going to need to flip your cap off of a ramp or over some cars? It’s so fucking stupid.
I have a coworker who was yelling in the office about how “fucking cool” it was… I’m not putting him above a 12-year old though.
Okay, I know I could look this up indvidually, but for those of us who missed it, what happened today?
Elmo faked a tech demo showing a new car that can drive upside down thanks to vacuum suction and can fly thanks to compressed air rockets.
Fine print: the car that goes on sale is not able to do that, only a very limited run that is sold to select customers at an unknown price (read: they don’t sell it)
It’s like if a robot company does a tech demo where a dancing robot is actually a human wearing a costume, or a bartending robot is actually remotely controlled by a human with a VR headset
They demoed a car that was loaded with a shit load of compressed gas, then they had it do a kick flip over a line of cars and a semi truck. They also drove it up a massive inverted ramp and then had it flip over and land smoothly.
Looked cool as hell, but has absolutely no practical purpose other than allowing Nazi Musk to get headlines saying they have a flying car.
it’s not a flying car. it’s a car that can fall with style.
Well he sure as hell does not have a friend in me…
Maybe this has been explained, but how was the car able to drive upside-down before the thrusters had been activated? It’s not like it was going fast enough for its momentum to hold it there.
Someone did the math and it is possible if they hollowed out the car.
I saw something about suction using a vacuum on the bottom. Not sure how the hell that could hold up a heavy car.
Figures that elon fanbois would be all about suction.
If you actually watch the demo they show the generated down force.
Supercars in general have no practical purpose, and people buy them. Being cool is the entire sales pitch.
More than the Tesla thing anyway, you can still pop down the shop in them.
Yeah if you live in literally any country except Germany, lol. Autobahn goes brrrr.
Eh, even then I think your typical German sedan would be better on the autobahn than a supercar.
They did a demo of the new roadster model; they’ve strapped a suction fan and HPA thrusters to it so it can do 0 to 60mph in under a second, drive up walls, perform a running jump over a semi-truck without a ramp, spin and do a standing flip.
Wow it watches like The Onion News Network, especially towards the end.
Looks like they failed to make Roadster have any impressive parameters so they mounted an air jet to cheat, and then get carried away when preparing a demo.
The frothing, uncritical comments from Musk stans on that video are insane. I hope they’re mostly bots and don’t represent real humans - nobody is acknowledging how impractical, unsafe, or illegal any of these moves are, nor how it’s a just a stunt that will never reach real-world production or on-road use.
Musk stans all live in a datacenter in Tennessee.
God damn it, I want that to be as cool as it should be! This timeline is bullshit and I’m calling shenanigans! THATS A FLYING FLIPPING FUCKING CAR AND ITS NOT COOL BECAUSE ELON!!!
Tesla released a ‘flying car’ video, I think.
Very stupid investors?
EV sales are flat or shrinking in the US (but growing extremely quickly outside the US, partially thanks to the Hormuz situation). Tesla’s sales are flat. He’s doing anything possible to show that Tesla has a future.
So, he basically told his talented engineers to take the stabilizing parts of a SpaceX rocket, put them in the body of a car, and pretended that what was demoed is actually vaguely related to something people might be able to buy at some point.
There isn’t a chance that a vehicle with those kinds of thrusters would ever be road legal. You’re basically driving a pretty large bomb around. You crash that vehicle and you don’t just kill yourself, you kill everybody within a pretty large blast radius.
There isn’t a chance that a vehicle with those kinds of thrusters would ever be road legal
Tesla sold a car for years with no way to open the back seat doors in the event of an emergency.
US regulators allow Tesla to do anything.
There is a way. Not practical, but if you pry off the speaker cover, there is a release cable.
I blame regulators.
The Model X had it under a speaker cover. The model 3 didn’t have it listed in the user manual. Fans discovered under a rubber door pocket cover, you could remove a flushed mounted plastic tab and fish out a pull wire to open the door.
It wasn’t until 2024 that Model 3’s got a door release.
Idea: in case of emergency the user can download a 400 mb app and after login + otp verification can see where is the emergency door opening tab
Strange. Maybe it’s a Europe thing, but my 2020(?) M3 has a little mechanical lever you can pull to open.
E: both front and back like nop’a 2018 model 3 in the response below
I think you are misremembering. I triple checked and there is nothing in the German Manual for rear door release in a 2020 Model 3.
Here is a German YouTuber showing how you can make your Tesla safer by adding a pull to the hidden door release.
In the front seats, right? Everyone (even I agree rightfully so) got mad about the rear passengers not having one.
My 2018 has them on the front and rear. I love that car. I wish Elon want a Nazi because I wouldn’t have the shit EV I bought when my wife took over the Tesla.
A car that maybe you (or your passengers) can’t get out of and might die is different from a car that’s basically a bomb on wheels.
It’s a shame because my wife and I are saving up for an EV but I’m worried by the time we’re ready the models won’t be there. They’re already cutting the Hyundai Ioniq 6. Our top contender.
Buy used. They will still be serviced at repair shops and you can get a 2year old EV for half the price of new.
Companies are scrambling to start making more hybrids and EVs now with gas prices so high and EVs in such high demand.
Y’know if they hadn’t killed off all of their fuel efficient sedan models they’d have a fuel efficient small car to offer the people shocked by gas prices…
People really weren’t buying those though. It’s a hot take, but I think they made the right choice on that one. They followed it up with the wrong choice to not develop hybrid wagons/cross overs. I don’t think anyone saw the return of the minivan.
People stopped buying sedans because the car industry made a concerted effort to demarket them. They’ve been pushing SUVs for nearly 30 years, trying really hard to get people to stop buying sedans and were too successful. Now there’s a fuel crisis and no sedans in production (from American brands at least) so the manufacturers are getting caught with their pants down again
I do wonder if the fleet market is sufficient to keep both sedans and vans in production, since each makes a very competent fleet vehicle platform for different usecases, see the venerable Crown Victoria for example
I’m not sure. I think they were reacting to buyers, not the other way around. I remember the late 90s and early 2000s. SUVs and crossovers were relatively new and exploding in popularity. Partly as a back lash against the “soccer mom” minivan stereotype. I never liked them, but I also never liked sedans. I’m definitely a wagon guy. It’s sad that they all became crossovers.
Rivian?
You could get a more stylish EV.
Don’t be a prick dude. The person mentioned having a wife, that might include kids, and at least they’re looking into getting an EV instead of a 4 door short bed V8 pickup truck that will never see a day of work. Pick better targets
It does include kids. And the in-laws are a highway away.
I don’t drive daily to work and use public transit and walk when I can, but we do every now and then need to drive somewhere. The E-Bike doesn’t work there.
Are you fucking kidding?
Targets? I lightheartedly suggest someone get an e-bike, and suddenly you think they’re a “target”?
The fact that someone has a wife means that they can’t buy an e-bike on the off chance that they might have kids?
Fuck, man. What the hell is wrong with you? What the hell is wrong with your country. People are so car-brained that merely light-heartedly suggesting an e-bike is considered an attack? You have some serious fucking issues.
I have an e-bike adapted for carrying 2 kids that I use daily for kindergarten commute. Can’t recommend it enough. I live in Belgium though.
Even if they don’t replace a car, they’re great vehicles. They’re fun to ride, you rarely have to worry about traffic jams, they’re cheap to operate, and you can do a lot of your own maintenance.
Does yours have seats on the back? A trailer? I’ve seen a variety of solutions for transporting kids. The trailer is the solution I see most often, and it looks like the most luxurious option for the kids. They often look like they’re some aristocrat being carried on a palanquin, sprawled out and enjoying the ride.
Well it turns out they do, in fact, have kids. Also maybe drink some water and chill a little.
Who the fuck cares if they have kids. You’re allowed to own an ebike, even if you have kids.
You seem like the one with issues brother…
Because I think it’s ridiculous to be told you’re “targetting” someone by merely suggesting they might want to buy an ebike?
It is actually a pretty cool stunt. Completely pointless from a commercial point of view, of course. But Tesla has been disconnected from market realities for a long time, so that’s just in character.
Right, if they could build a race track and have a bunch of these in a race, that might actually be kinda cool. I see no other reason for this.
Trackmania IRL?
rocket league
There might be some niche situation where it’s helpful but that’s not even relevant because there’s no way it would be legal on public roads in most places. I also strongly doubt that it would be able to do it safely and compensate for different weight distribution of the vehicle with different passengers and such.
I genuinely can’t wait for a fat cat to buy one of these, try and do the flip with him in the driver’s seat, it partially roll, end up careening sideways into the side of a building, and finishing with a lithium grilled pancaked executive 😙 👌
I doubt they’d be able to even sit still safely, that amount of compressed air sitting in the undercarriage is much more dangerous than even the 10 gallons of gas sitting in a car.
That’s what I thought, the pressure vessels to get lift for a heavy electric car for just one second is a bomb extremely sensitive to crashes.
That could not be legal on the roads.
Then there’s the “range issue” of being able to do that maybe a few times, at best, for a few seconds. Cool demo, but you’d think just a revamped Roadster would be enough. Do it with a Cybertruck without showering everyone with shrapnel and I might be impressed.
It looked more like a choreographed car dance routine than anything else; given how fast and precise those thrusters need to be, how does a human even control it?
I think the vacuum downforce could definitely be useful for track/stunt driving
As long as it’s dry. And there’s no pebbles or loose debris or sand on the track…
It’s neat but it’s also already been done. The McMurtry Speirling had the tech five years ago.
Supercars are some of the most impractal things on the planet, yet people buy them all the time.
A supercar that can briefly fly? If that actually makes it to production, people will absolutely buy one.
3% ain’t shit
No but that’s on top of the year over year losses.
They’re down 19.03% YTD and down 26.62% from the peak in December last year.
More!
I want to see it all burn to the ground.
As soon as I saw this thing boost forward using rocket thrust both my bf and I said “if this is ever on the road everyone near this thing dies.”
Because some fucking brain dead idiot is going to rocket boost, kill himself from the speed, everyone behind him from the backblast, and everyone in front of him from the giant expensive bullet that was just created.
This is never going to get on the roads, and if it does, it’ll be only for police and military, if it’s not relegated to an expensive toy for the ultra rich they can’t even drive on the road.
Roadster is definitely coming out, but 100% not going to have a thruster fit into a car, no one should listen to Empty Husk when he said that.
And some rich drunk kid will drive it off the bridge “I saw it on YouTube it can fly”
Last I knew like 1/3 of the population would pass out or such experiencing those g forces. Aka no person can be trusted to drive the device past performing the possibly brain damaging device.
Passing out for half a second wouldn’t even matter since you cant steer or break either way during the boost.
