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Please can you people just try to be kind to each other for one fucking thread
She says that many customers “are pleasantly surprised when they realise they don’t have to tip 20% on top”.
Maybe I’m too fucking european for this but 20 fucking percent? TWENTY PERCENT? That’s being written in this article as normal tipping? Wtf?
They keep raising it because no one knows how math works. Used to be solidly 15% and then mass inflation happened and people think the 15% tip amount doesn’t go up with the increased restaurant prices somehow.
At least in Canada anyway. I guess US with the lower minimum wage would lean higher.
Canada (Google says it’s from 2008, Wayback goes back to at least 2013)
Our good friends to the north have a very similar tipping procedure as the United States. Most service people expect a 15-20% tip depending of course on what part of Canada, which city, and the level of service.
In restaurants, 15% is considered to be a good tip but of course, if the meal is great and the service is too, feel free to tip more! Make sure to tip in many of the same establishments as well – restaurants, bars, barbershops, taxis, etc. www.gonomad.com/2309-a-guide-to-tipping-around-the-world
20% is the standard now, sometimes people tip more or less
When I was a kid the standard tip was 15%, not sure when/why it changed
Things got more expensive, pay didn’t go up
The millennial and zoomer generations are more appreciative of service workers, often being them themselves and not thinking of them as “starter jobs” and “ingrates” like so many boomers do.
This.
As part of that demographic I usually tip higher because I can afford too and know that the person doing the gig job would benefit.
Exactly. Ever since working shit restaurant jobs, I can’t not tip 20%+
Yes that’s normal
yanks are absolutely unhinged
And that shit is just getting imported with yank technology. Have seen quite a few card payment things in the last couple years ask me wether I want to tip 15, 20, or 25%. Often at self service places where tipping is not really a thing.
being asked to tip at a self-service checkout lmao
It’s been a thing for years here in
15 or 20 has been the norm for my entire adult life.
And this reaction was why I was VERY quickly used to British tourists either tipping nothing or giving me literally a dollar when I served tables and did room service at an international restaurant
something unique about the British apparently given every other European nationality would tip appropriately
I think tipping in the UK isn’t super common. One waiter actually said so when we were giving a ~10% tip customary where I’m from. Most waiters just said thank you.
I thought they were closer to the US. In so many ways the UK feels closer to the US than to Europe.
My understanding is tipping is only really a thing in the U.S. but all the germans and french and Spaniards etc figured it out
It’s fairly common across Europe. But not as high and not as a defacto mandatory part of the transaction.
In some small rural towns people might get pissed at you for tipping because it’s seen as the guest acting as an aristocrat or something.
20%(or any % for that matter) not listed on the menu(even if alongside the price sans tax) is crazy
And another thing ‘sales tax’ why not list the actual price you’ll pay on the item? is it a scam for people who are like ‘I can afford this’ without doing the calculation, then when they get to the register and realise its more than they can afford they get shamed into wasting their money?
And another thing ‘sales tax’ why not list the actual price you’ll pay on the item?
As a yank, I suspect it’s partly what you’re saying and partly just another aspect of the USAmerican “taxation = theft” psyop/brainworm. Taxation is made intentionally confusing and inconvenient here in order to manufacture consent for the gutting of our paltry social services.
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You tip at the end of the meal, so if you plan on tipping 10% they wouldn’t know until after you pay.
Federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 an hour. Tipping culture sucks, but not because restaurant workers are entitled.
try asking servers what they think about Black people and how we tip some time
Sorry, I didn’t realize you were personally acquainted with every single person that has picked up a shift at a restaurant.
Just admit that you feel the people that bring you food are beneath you.
This labor aristocracy bullshit gets old.
“labor aristocracy” fam i work at a fucking supermarket
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They’re pretty entitled whenever they see someone they think doesn’t belong to a class that frequents their establishment. And usually people want to eat at restaurants more than once.
I’ve met and worked with asshole servers too and a few servers are comfortable snobs and class traitors but most are not. We shouldn’t stereotype our fellow workers like this, comrade.
If you walk into a restaurant that charges $300 for an entree, sure.
Any normal restaurant, no.
Waffle House ain’t going to kick your ass out for looking disheveled. Olive garden doesn’t give a f*** unless your BO is bad enough to impact other customers.
This isn’t normal. The Americans’ collective head is fucked up.
YOUR NORMAL IS SHIT.
20% is the normalized baseline in major US cities. If you tip less the people you are with will generally consider you stingy.
I just tipped 25% yesterday because I enjoyed the service
The best we should do is 0%. Employer should pay employees and adjust their prices sensibly so that the business is successful.
Having to pay a tip only means they lied about their prices and tricked you into it.
Employers should but most of them won’t until they are made to through labor and community action. In the meantime, using the services of a tip-dependent workplace and then not tipping only hurts those workers, not their employer.
At least if you have to tip in order to not be an asshole. Its not really a tip then
“central to US dining culture” aka “central to small business tyrant exploitation”.
Great to hear that they’re paying their servers a living wage and they don’t need the tips to survive anymore!
I mean, $40 / h for waitstaff sounds OK, no? That’s 80k per year if working full-time.
Yes although the article is discussing a restaraunt in the most expensive city in the US, but $40/hr would be just fine if they would allow proper urban development (to lower/ stabilize housing prices)
60k after tax. Sounds manageable even if half of that is rent.
But then again that’s just the highest pay mentioned in the article. The other tipfree Californian restaurant pays just $21
$21 per hour and no tips sounds much worse. IIUC minimum wage for fast-food workers in California is $20 per hour, so basically you get paid minimum wage and can’t take any tips. Awful
One underemphasized point is that normalized tipping is actually about having customers monitor and evaluate employees and what their wages should be. Similar to how the normalization of receipts became about ensuring that employees working counters could be held accountable to customers, the customers taking in the role of surveillance.
Rather than a form for worker solidarity, tipping culture has been appropriated by capital and turned into a means by which to put a manager’s job onto customers, discipline labor, and drive down overall labor costs.
Of course you can’t be a Trotsky and undo tipping culture by just not individually tipping, but it should go on the list of things to abolish.
Sounds good overall?
I think it’s weird that it takes banning tips to pay staff fair wages.
They wont pay staff a fair wage.
Tip culture is bad because it drives down wages. We should seek to abolish tipping and raise wages directly but until it is abolished, folks should tip well when it is expected and otherwise avoid going places where they are expected to tip. Don’t be a
So many trots in this thread.
Really makes me think that Stalin was too soft.
tipping discourse thread- tipping is good because it’s workers directly supporting workers
- tipping is bad because business owners use their customers to subsidize their lack of wages
- servers are kulaks of restaurants
- tipping is a legacy of slavery and jim crow
What’d I miss?
You missed
I don’t know how it is for others but 20% is considered the bare minimum lest you want them to spit in your food. The real expectation is that you pay over 100%, since you’re going out to eat and therefore must be fucking loaded. 20%? You are there to wine and dine the server and make them feel welcome in your presence.
I’m trying to add math illiteracy to the discourse too. Note that.
tipping is good when I get money,but when I’m suppose to pay tips then I get
One thing I think about is that you would think since US restaurant owners essentially don’t pay their workers, the food would be cheaper, but generally speaking I don’t think there’s much of a difference. I know the restaurant industry has tight margins for owners (I don’t care), but I assume that all US business owners are very bad at what they do and extremely greedy, with restaurant owners being basically the perfect storm for bad at what they do and extremely greedy.
The difference is likely pocketed by their suppliers then
Suppliers, landlords, their own inability to live “within their means” as they expect from all others
The most expensive part of leaving the US is the flight out. There are few places in the world I’ve seen where food is more expensive even before tip. Also, that shit is either straight of the conveyor belt full of high fructose corn syrup or it’s made to be some kind of art project.
The price of everything is a scam
I know the restaurant industry has tight margins for owners
does it actually? Seriously asking my perception of it from across the pond is you own a local pizzeria and enslave somewhere between 10 - 20 people and you get to go on 3 week euro vacations
They’re capitalists (spit), but they’re small capitalists, so they’re at the mercy of larger capitalists with more power. I wouldn’t be surprised if commercial landlords are squeezing them for most of their profits.
On the other hand, working at the restaurant would save them a whole employee’s wages and they basically never do that, so it can’t be that tight.
The only business owners I’ve ever truly respected came into the shop 6 days a week until they died, gave out free food to people in need all the time, and even paid A TON of my medical bills from a freak accident at work. I know that last one seems like the bare minimum, but I was smoking weed in an illegal state at the time and both the owners knew it, they could have told me to try Worker’s Comp and get fucked
They owned the pizza shop I worked at during COVID, and as a zoomer, working at that place was the first time I saw a true third spot. I literally helped someone propose with a heart made of toppings on a pizza once, this place meant so much to the people who frequented it. Part of my job during the pandemic was telling people that their friends from the restaurant died due to COVID. It was hard, but it was worth it to be at a place that meant so much to its patrons
I think some survivorship bias factors in. From what I hear, restaurants are enormously expensive to get off the ground and have a very high early failure rate as businesses but once they have survived for 3 or so years, management gets much easier and profit margins are able to grow.
Consequently, in my experience, successful restaurants are indeed run by local rich kulak assholes with McMansions and luxury cars who fuck off around the world for weeks at a time when they aren’t back at the store berating their workers.
Honestly I’m thinking about it and I think I am just channeling what I’ve heard from the restaurant tyrants I’ve met in regards to margins, but yea, they always seem to be able to mostly 1. Not work at all. 2. Take vacations. 3. Blow money on shit
Pizza is a lot different from the rest of the restaurant business. At the place I work, a 16 inch pepperoni pizza costs about $2.10 in ingredients to make. We sell it by the slice for $5, 7 slices on each pizza. The pizzeria is in an area of town with extraordinarily high rents, but still.
Wait, seven slices?! How does that work?
Well it’s cut eight ways, but one of the slices is for the chef.
okay well that is a technique I am familiar with
yeah I don’t know how you get seven slices otherwise
So, clearly, the chef gets their cut of every pizza!
At a restaurant, these folks are the who get paid:
- Restaurant owners
- Commercial landlords
- Residential landlords
- Health insurance / healthcare costs
- Large lenders (like student loans)
There are multiple layers of this all down the supply chain. The owners and commercial landlords take directly from the business and from all its suppliers. Residential landlords, health insurance/costs, and large individual debts are paid by the workers, raising the cost of labor reproduction, appearing as labor costs.
Is this another u.s. problem who they think us universal, like lack of public universal healthcare and school shooting prevent technology
ah always love a tipping discourse thread on chapo dot chat
This is common sense on a rational system. Current system is all about controll based on neoslavery
Business owners will absolutely NOT pay people enough to make up the difference. They may increase the prices and give token raises but id need another $6/hr or so to make up for the tip money and I’m sure the owners would rather keep that for themselves. Theres a place in town that brags about not tipping and paying a fair wage. Their hourly is a dollar more than mine
It definitely varies. There was a place I used to go to that did this and I asked one of the servers about it on a slow day. He said they were getting like 20 an hour to start (at the time that was way better than anything similar this was like mid 2010s), health insurance, and PTO. He said this ended up being better than tips because of the insurance and PTO. The place was always fully staffed and you never had to wait for service because servers would just wander around and help anyone at any table since nobody was getting tips. Food was good too and not significantly more expensive than nearby similar places. After excluding tip honestly it was probably cheaper.
Unfortunately the place burned down in some huge fire and they never re opened. It to me anyway was a good example of a place that did seem to be working pretty well on the zero tips model
me responding to every comment I find obnoxious with the
emoteBanning tips is shit anti worker bullshit that nobody here should support
Everyone should have a living wage where tips aren’t necessary but if someone WANTS TO GIVE YOU A TIP and your EMPLOYER SAYS NO they should be fucking killed lol
Remembering all the times i had to sneak around like Im palming a drug drop because a customer at the retail store i worked at wanted to give me $5 or $20 but I’d have been FIRED FOR ACCEPTING
Actually, everyone should receive equal pay for equal work. Tips create disparities between workers for basically no reason.
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Okay, but if we’re working together and you get paid more than me because you lucked out on a good table, or because you’re prettier or smile bigger or whatever, I’m going to resent it. Do you not see how this destroys solidarity and creates competition?
This is why workers pool tips, and why bosses hate it when workers pool tips. Equal pay for equal work.
Like I had a co-worker who was a conventionally attractive young woman and even she didn’t like getting tipped more because it weirded her out from creeps and she felt bad getting paid more when we all worked just as hard. Sure she probably liked having more money than less money but it doesn’t really help anyone imo.
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Maybe you getting a better table than me, or being the first one to pick up that $20, is the difference between me having a big plate of hunger for dinner tonight or not. Maybe I will cry about it, because I just got to watch my meal get taken by someone else.
All this does is create competition and resentment between servers, which is exactly how the boss likes it. That’s why bosses often ban pooling tips, they want you to rub it in my face that you got more money than me and ask me if I’m jealous, so that I think about that instead of thinking about how low our wages are. It displaces the blame for low pay from the boss to our coworkers.
Also, the boss can use tips as a way to play favorites! Maybe you’re the boss’s family so you get all the best tables and I get the scraps, because the boss wants you to get more tips than me. Am I supposed to just smile and be happy for you?
why are you so rude?
it’s an overall hexbear user thing I’ve noticed
I find users here to be more pleasant on average than anywhere else I’ve been on the internet. That being said, we do have a small but obnoxiously loud population of misanthropes here as well.
i agree that it’s quite a big problem on the wider site, i am spoiled by mostly chilling in the trans mega.
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you are one of the most consistently rude and unpleasant users on here, i recognise your username for constantly toeing this line of non-bannable antisocial behaviour. did you know it costs nothing to be nice?
You’re consistently rude.
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I just responded to their comment with gentle disagreement, I don’t really see how that’s “harassment”
This interaction has left me feeling like shit.
